What’s it worth — a nice 12g W.W. Greener…

12 gauge W.W. Greener side-by-side shotgun
12 gauge W.W. Greener side-by-side shotgun

“What’s it worth?” That’s the question I get all the time. It’s also the question I’m always asking myself. To come up with an answer, I pull together an estimate based on historical prices and what I’m seeing in the market. But this is just a guess.

If you really want to know what your shotgun is worth, put it up for auction. When the hammer falls, you’ll know exactly how much someone is willing to pay for it. When I saw this W.W. Greener, I asked myself “What’s it worth?” I’m guessing $2000-$2,500. The auction ends soon, so check back tomorrow to see if I was right.

12 gauge W.W. Greener side-by-side shotgun
12 gauge W.W. Greener side-by-side shotgun

From the info provided and the pics, this is what I can tell about it:

It’s a lower-grade model with ejectors, nice 30″ damascus bbls, and very clean looking wood. The outside of the barrels has a bit of corrosion, but nothing bad. The insides look good. Judging by the proofmarks and serial number, I would say it was made around around 1900. From what I can see, I would say that it’s all original (except for the pad, of course). Pachmyr’s While Line Recoil Pad came out around 1950 and the butt stock may have been lightly refinished at that time. The checkering looks original.

 

Going…going…and I bet it’s gone…

20g A.H. Fox Sterlingworth, 28", Ejectors
20g A.H. Fox Sterlingworth, 28″, Ejectors

I put up a Good Gun Alert about this A.H. Fox Sterlingworth 20g yesterday. With some real nice original condition, 28″ bbls, and ejectors, I thought it was a great deal at just $1,399.

Well, it looks like someone else agreed. They moved on this shotgun right away and it looks it’s already sold. Good guns at good prices don’t stick around very long!

Good gun alert: 20 gauge Fox Sterlingwortm 28″, ejectors…

20 gauge A.H. Fox side-by-side, 28" bbls, ejectors
20 gauge A.H. Fox side-by-side, 28″ bbls, ejectors

Looking for a vintage American shotgun for grouse and woodcock? Then I would call about this little A.H. Fox 20 gauge Sterlingworth side-by-side right away.

Cabela’s has it and it just popped up on Gunsinternational.com. With 28″ barrels, ejectors, and some nice original finish, it’s a tough double to find. The price is pretty fair, too. If you’re looking for a vintage American shotgun to use on grouse and woodcock, I would call about this one right away.

20 gauge A.H. Fox side-by-side, 28" bbls, ejectors
20 gauge A.H. Fox side-by-side, 28″ bbls, ejectors
20 gauge A.H. Fox side-by-side, 28" bbls, ejectors
20 gauge A.H. Fox side-by-side, 28″ bbls, ejectors

Original or redone? A 12g Francotte Knockabout side by side…

12g Francotte Knockabout Double Barrel Shotgun
12g Francotte Knockabout Double Barrel Shotgun

Old shotguns with tons of condition spook me. I love original condition, so I’m excited to see any vintage side-by-side that looks brand new. At the same time, I wonder if what I’m really looking at is an excellent restoration. Unless I have the double in my hands, it’s hard to tell.

So when I saw this 12 gauge Francotte Knockabout I was intrigued, but then put off. Part of me thinks that this side-by-side is all original. But another part says no ‘friggin way.

12g Francotte Knockabout Double Barrel Shotgun
12g Francotte Knockabout Double Barrel Shotgun

Up until they were purchased by Abercrombie & Fitch, Von Lengerke & Detmold was a major importer of Francotte shotguns. The Knockabout was the lowest grade they offered. Shotguns like this were bought by guys who wanted a quality double that they could really use. That’s why so most of the ones you see today look more like this one: decent, but definitely used.

12g Francotte Knockabout Double Barrel Shotgun
12g Francotte Knockabout Double Barrel Shotgun

The one shown here looks like it spent more time in a closet than in a marsh or field. For a shotgun that’s 85+ years old, it’s just not showing it’s age. That’s what worries me. Did the owner really buy it, shoot it for a couple years, and then put it away for a lifetime?

Or was it restored 20- 30 years ago by someone who knew what they were doing, and then used gently since then? I just can tell from these pics. I have seen brand new, honestly 100% original shotguns  that are even older. And those are the ones that keep me hoping to find more.

What do you think? Let me know.

12g Francotte Knockabout Double Barrel Shotgun
12g Francotte Knockabout Double Barrel Shotgun

This week’s good guns, powered by Gunsinternational.com…

A bunch of nice looking shotguns popped up this week on Gunsinternational.com. Here are five of my favorites:

20g Woodward Over & Under double barrel shotgun
20g Woodward Over & Under double barrel shotgun

Woodward 20 ga. O/U:  With 26″ barrels, raised file cut solid rib. Original 2-3/4″ chambers, choked improved cylinder and modified, bores measure as new. Southgate type automatic ejectors, classic configuration, double triggers, straight hand stock. Brilliant case colors over the entire action serve as a vibrant background for the fine rose and scroll engraving in the pre-war style and execution.

Westley Richards 20 Ga. Drop Lock: Westley Richards Drop Lock Ser. No. 17429 28″ barrels choked .005″/.010″ 2 3/4″ chambers. SST, SG and Ej. Scalloped frame, scroll engraved with leather covered pad. 14 1/4″X 1 1/2″X 2″ with beautiful wood. Comes with leather case. A wonderful classic bird gun weighing 5 lbs 8 ozs.

12g A.H. Fox A-grade double barrel shotgun, stunning original condition
12g A.H. Fox A-grade double barrel shotgun, stunning original condition

A. H. Fox “A Grade” 12 ga: 28″ Krupp steel barrels choked improved cylinder and extra full (005/040). Outstanding condition throughout, 95% brilliant case colors, 99% original lustrous blue including all the original blue remaining on the trigger guard.

Boss & Co. side lever hammer gun in excellent original condition: this 12g Boss has near 80% or better original case color. 30″ bbls. Seldom do we see a Boss in this nice a condition.

PARKER O GRADE TOP LEVER HAMMER 10 GAUGE: THE BEST TWIST STEEL HAMMER GUN THAT WE HAVE ENCOUNTERED 32″ PARKER TWIST BARRELS WITH PERFECT BORES AND FINISH ON THE BARRELS 2 7/8 CHAMBERS DOUBLE TRIGGER EXTRACTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP DOGS HEAD BUTT LOTS OF CASE COLOR 10LB 6 OZ X 3 1/4 X 2 X 14 3/8

PARKER O GRADE TOP LEVER HAMMER 10 GAUGE
PARKER O GRADE TOP LEVER HAMMER 10 GAUGE
12g Boss side-by-side hammergun, stunning original condition
12g Boss side-by-side hammergun, stunning original condition

Buying and collecting antique shotguns: a discussion with Martin Willis..

Antique Auction Forum
Antique Auction Forum

Martin Willis is one America’s leading experts on antiques. His website the Antique Auction Forum is a great place to learn all about the business of buying, selling , and collecting them. Last weekend I sat down  with Martin and talked about one of my favorite subjects — collecting antique shotguns.

You can listen to our discussion here. Our discussion covered everything from my favorites to the dark side of collecting – fakes and phonies – and how to protect yourself from them. I hope you enjoy it.

Tell the Senate to support the Sportsmen’s Conservation Act of 2012…..

Dogs and Doubles would like to join Pheasants Forever and Quail Forever in urging hunters and sportsmen and women nationwide to support the Sportsmen’s Act of 2012 (S. 3525).

Pheasants Forever
Pheasants Forever

Act now: Call and leave a message for your Senators right away.

Tell them to support the Sportsmen’s Act of 2012 (S. 3525)

The Sportsmen’s Act of 2012 represents 19 individual conservation titles, combined through bipartisan support, and is an incredibly important step for sportsmen and women throughout the United States as we fight for conservation on the American landscape. The Sportsmen’s Act of 2012 is directly applicable to Pheasants Forever and Quail Forever supporters through its conservation of upland habitat and increased access for recreational hunting.

Some benefits of the Sportmen’s Act of 2012 include:

1. The continuation of critical habitat investment programs due to expire, including North American Wetlands Conservation Act (NAWCA), Partners for Fish and Wildlife, and the Neotropical Migratory Bird Conservation Act

2. Reauthorizes Federal Lands Transaction Facilitation Act, which uses “land for land” approach to improve access

3. Creates a 1.5 percent set aside from Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF) to specifically address access issues by purchasing in holdings in existing public lands and securing easements to access-restricted acreage

4. This bill allows the Secretary of Interior to reevaluate the price of the critical Duck Stamp every three years and permanently offer an electronic duck stamp, assuring the stamp price can adjust accordingly to match inflation

5. This bill will have no cost to taxpayers

When you contact your Senator, let them know that the Sportsmen’s Conservation Act of 2012, the habitat it will protect, hunting heritage it will further, and the outdoor spaces it will create are important to you and your family. Ask your Senator to:

1. Support the Sportsmen’s Act of 2012 (S. 3525)

2. Encourage other members of the Senate to follow suit and support America’s sportsmen and women

All Senate offices can be found here or directly through the Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121. Thank you for standing up for America’s sportsmen and women!

Auction Alert: Winchesters, Brownings, Griffin & Howe, L.C. Smith, Ruger…

http://www.armsbid.com/
http://www.armsbid.com/

Kull Auction & Real Estate Co. in Topeka, KS, is having a big gun auction tomorrow and Saturday. There are a bunch of Winchesters in the sale (Model 42s & Model 12s, Model 21s & 101s) plus many other side-by-sides and over & unders. Here are a few shotguns that caught my eye.

Lot 840 – Winchester – Model 42 – .410 – shotgun: Excellent condition – 28″ PROOF STEEL barrel – retain 97% blue finish with mild wear to top grooved receiver.

Lot 846 – Winchester – Model 12 – 28 ga – shotgun – SCARCE: Excellent condition – 26″ Proof Steel barrel.

Lot 857 – Winchester – Model 21 – 12 ga – shotgun: Excellent condition – 30″ barrels – retains 98% remaining blue.

Lot 859 - Griffin & Howe - Round Body Game Gun - 28 ga - shotgun
Lot 859 – Griffin & Howe – Round Body Game Gun – 28 ga – shotgun

Lot 859 – Griffin & Howe – Round Body Game Gun – 28 ga – shotgun – RARE: ANIB condition – 28″ SxS barrels with textured solid center rib.

Lot 864 – LC Smith – SxS – 12 ga – shotgun Skeet & Specialty grade: Very Good condition – 28″ SxS barrels with extra set of 30″ SxS barrels.

Lot 880 – Greener – Hammer SxS Top Lever – 12 Ga – shotgun : Very Good condition.

Lot 1168 – Aya Aguirre & Aranzabal – SxS – 12 ga – shotgun: Excellent condition – 28″ barrels.

Lot 1168 - Aya Aguirre & Aranzabal - SxS - 12 ga - shotgun
Lot 1168 – Aya Aguirre & Aranzabal – SxS – 12 ga – shotgun

 

Breed of the Week: The Braque de l’Ariège

The Braque de l'Ariège, Continental Pointing Dog, from Craig Koshyk
The Braque de l’Ariège, Continental Pointing Dog, from Craig Koshyk

The Braque de l’Ariège has had its ups and downs, and the fact that it exists today is a testament to how much passion of handful of men and women have had for the breed.

Even though the Braque de l’Ariège’s origins are disputed, what is agreed upon is that these bird dogs originated in southern France and that at least one of its ancestors was the Braques Français. Standards for the breed  were established in 1905. Over the next several decades the popularity of these large, easy hunting white and orange pointing dogs spread. Unfortunately, this enthusiasm petered out, and in 1960 the Braque de l’Ariège was considered dead.

Fortunately, this isn’t the end of the story. To find out how the Braque de l’Ariège was saved, check out this post over at Craig Koshyk’s Pointing Dogs blog. Koshyk is the author of Pointing Dogs: Volume One, The Continentals. If you’re into birds dogs, it’s a bird you absolutely have to have.

The Braque de l'Ariège, Continental Pointing Dog, from Craig Koshyk
The Braque de l’Ariège, Continental Pointing Dog, from Craig Koshyk
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