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1965 Holland & Holland Sporting Guns & Rifles Catalog

1965 Holland & Holland Sporting Guns & Rifles Catalog

Value is something I always think about when I’m looking at old guns. Is this Purdey a good value? What about this Parker? Which ones will people want 20 years from now? Which will fall out of favor? To understand stuff like this, I collect old gun catalogs – especially ones with price lists in them.

The catalog you see was an especially nice find for me. It’s a Holland & Holland New & Used Gun Catalog from the Spring of 1965. It’s full of ton of useful info: prices, lots of different guns from different makers, etc. More importantly, because this catalog was shipped to customers in the UK and the US there’s a key paragraph inside which unlocks the British £ to US $ conversion mystery:

“As an indication of your approximate total delivered costs including duty you may multiply the price of the weapon in £’s in London by 3.5. For example, a gun offered at £100 will cost you about $350, all charges and duties paid”

So what did a brand new, 12 gauge sidelock Holland & Holland Royal cost in 1965? £650 pounds, or $2,275 (that’s without a case or accessories). A 12 gauge H&H Northwoods boxlock was £200 or $700. New H&H Rifles were more expensive. A .470 Royal cost £985 ($3,447.50) with case and tools. It punished you with more than just recoil.

1965 Holland & Holland Sporting Guns & Rifles Catalog

1965 Holland & Holland Sporting Guns & Rifles Catalog

As for used guns, decent 12 gauge Royals were £375 – £425. A 12 gauge Purdey with new barrels by the maker was £500. The most expensive used guns are both O/Us: an early and super rare 12g H&H (#36000) and a 12g Woodward. Both are £950.

As for bargains, I spotted two. One was a cased Edwinson Green 12g Best-quality sidelock for £285. I’ve seen a few of these and they are fabulous – equal to a London Best. Then there’s a 16g Szulovsky sidelock for just £130. I’ve never seen or heard of a Szulovsky, but I bet it was a very fine gun.

To make sense of the prices, here’s are some figures from 1965: a basic Rolex Submariner was around $230, a Corvette Fastback Coupe was $3947 from the factory , the typical American home sold for $19,900, and the median American family income was $6,900. A new Rolls Royce Silver Shadow was £6,557.

Today, a brand new 12 gauge Holland & Holland SxS Royal costs $118,000. A stainless Rolex Sub runs $8,000, a new 2014 Corvette Stingray costs $54,950, the typical American house sells for around $213,000, and the median family income is $51,000. And a new Rolls Royce Wraith is $379,000.

And what about that H&H Royal from the mid 1965? In excellent original condition, here’s about it’s worth today:

HOLLAND & HOLLAND (A&F) MODEL SIDELOCK SIDE BY SIDE SHOTGUN

20g Charles Jones "Flint-Cusssion" SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

20g Charles Jones “Flint-Cusssion” SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

Getting a shotgun or rifle to fire has always been tricky, and since the earliest day of firearms, makers have come up with countless ways to make a gun go bang.

At the beginning of the 19th century, most handheld shotguns and rifles used flintlocks to ignite their pcharges. But in 1807, the Reverend Alexander John Forsyth developed the percussion method and changed everything.

By the 1820s, Forsyth’s system had evolved into percussion caps, which were ideal for sporting guns. Simple to use, reliable in almost any weather, and quick to fire, the percussion cap’s perfection marked the end for flintlocks and the way forward to the next generation of firearms – the centerfires.

The firearm you see here is sort of the platypus of shotguns. Part percussion and part flintlock, it looks like it was made to handle whatever shooting situation a hunter might find himself in.

20g Charles Jones "Flint-Cusssion" SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

20g Charles Jones “Flint-Cusssion” SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

20g Charles Jones “Flint-Cusssion” SxS shotgun: This is a rare and exceptional experimental dual ignition shotgun made by Charles Jones circa 1835 who was the Gunmaker to HRH Prince Albert.  This is a 20 bore muzzle loading gun with an interruption switch to block the platinum lined flintlock touch hole to fire percussion caps. Overall length is 45″ with 28.5″ barrels and LOP 14.5″. The gun has definitive London Black Powder proofs and features a wrist escuthcheon with the initials “CJ”. Possibly an experimental shotgun or a commissioned piece to offer a “belt and braces” approach to the “new” percussion caps and would offer the traveller a solution to travelling overseas where percussion caps might be difficult to acquire. The quality of workmanship is superb. Price: $18,250

Pics Courtesy of Pembroke Fine Arms

20g Charles Jones "Flint-Cusssion" SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

20g Charles Jones “Flint-Cusssion” SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

20g Charles Jones "Flint-Cusssion" SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

20g Charles Jones “Flint-Cusssion” SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

20g Charles Jones "Flint-Cusssion" SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

20g Charles Jones “Flint-Cusssion” SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

20g Charles Jones "Flint-Cusssion" SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

20g Charles Jones “Flint-Cusssion” SxS shotgun. Image courtesy Pembroke Fine Arms

 PARKER BHE TRAP VENT RIB 12 GAUGE DOUBLE BARREL SHOTGUN

PARKER BHE TRAP VENT RIB 12 GAUGE DOUBLE BARREL SHOTGUN

PARKER BHE TRAP VENT RIB 12 GAUGE: #207XXX #1 FRAME 32″ VENT RIB FULL AND FULL 2 3/4 SINGLE SELECT TRIGGER  EJECTORS BEAVER TAIL FOREARM ENGLISH GRIP EXCELLENT ORIGINAL CONDITION WITH CASE COLORS  8LBS 7 OZ X 2 1/4 X 1 7/8 X 14 1/2. Price: $18,500

Winchester – Model 21 Duck, 12ga., 32″ barrels, Double Triggers: Full/Full choked, 3” chambers, Duck gun, capped pistol grip,  3-point checkering, checkered butt, very rare double triggers, ejectors, splinter forend, highly figured, superb, as new gun with long length of pull. 7lb. 7oz.. 14 3/8” LOP  1 ½” x 2 ¼”. Price: $8,250

Winchester - Model 21 Duck, 12ga., 32" barrels, Double Triggers:

Winchester – Model 21 Duck, 12ga., 32″ barrels, Double Triggers:

Sidelock Belgian O/U Double Barrel Shotgun 12ga (pre-war)

Sidelock Belgian O/U Double Barrel Shotgun 12ga (pre-war)

Sidelock Belgian O/U Double Barrel Shotgun 12ga (pre-war): Fine Pre-War Self-Opener Sidelock Belgian O/U shotgun built in 1933. The gun is marked ‘SuperAuto’ H. Scherrer Patent. Barrels are marked ‘Fluid Compressed Steel’ with all appropiate proofs of that era including 12-70 for 2 3/4″ chambers. Barrels 27″ with solid rib, chokes Top-.004/Bot- .035, straight grip, 14″ lop to ck. butt, Doub. trig. non-auto safety, auto ejectors, Funeral Model finish with light border engraving. DAC 1 1/2″, DAH 2″, Cast neutral. Metal finish 90%++ with only light edge wear. This is a High Quality Sidelock Pre WWII O/U shotgun. Price: $4750

Westley Richards 12 gauge Side-by-Side Boxlock Shotgun

Westley Richards 12 gauge Side-by-Side Boxlock Shotgun

Westley Richards 12 gauge Side-by-Side Boxlock Shotgun: Factory 2 3/4″ chambers,   s/n T 10993,   heavy 1 1/4 oz. proof. Receiver:   crossbolt,  side clips,  AUTOMATIC EJECTORS,   double triggers,   receiver retains most of original case colors (some light scratching through clear coating on right side that doesn’t cut into case colors),   PROOFED FOR HEAVY LOADS (SEE PHOTOS OF WATER TABLE). Barrels:   28″ length,   BORES EXCELLENT PLUS,   choked Full & Improved Mod.,  swamped hand filed rib,   blue has somewhat thinned over the years (gun has never been reblacked). Stock:   English (straight) style,   splinter forearm,   buttstock has 14 1/4″ LOP over solid pad and spacer (see photos), DAC 1 3/4″,  DAH 2 1/2″,   twin Ivory beads, checkering is excellent on buttstock and forearm. Price: $5495

C. S. Rosson & Co., 12 gauge Side-by-Side, Boxlock Shotgun:

C. S. Rosson & Co., 12 gauge Side-by-Side, Boxlock Shotgun:

C. S. Rosson & Co., 12 gauge Side-by-Side, Boxlock Shotgun: Model Wildfowl Magnum,   12 GAUGE,   3″ CHAMBERS,   s/n 3223.  Receiver:   double trigger,   double underlocking lugs,   crossbolt,   side clips,   extractors,   not a droplock but a detachable bottom plate to access lock,   retains traces of original case colors,   blued detachable bottom plate. Barrels:   30″ length,   choked Full & Improved Mod.,   EXCELLENT BORES,   swamped and tapered hand filed rib,  nice blue (if they have been reblacked it was a nice job),   3″ CHAMBERS,   3 1/2 TON PROOFED. Stock:  no cracks,    LOP 15″ over solid recoil pad,  DAC 1 1/2″,  DAH 2 1/2″,   nice checkering on buttstock and forearm,  Walnut,   pleasing dark color. Cased in a nice canvas covered hard case. Price $3495

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

Here’s your chance to get a deal on a classic upland gun. This 16 gauge A.H. Fox is coming up on Saturday at Cady Auction Gallery & Appraisal in Cedar Rapids, IA. From what I can see, this side-by-side looks like a nice, original shotgun.

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade SxS Double Barrel Shotgun: Manufactured in 1924. Barrels are 28″. Engraved receiver. Checkered butt stock and forearm. Nickled trigger guard. All numbers match. SN 303657. Condition: Good, bore is bight and shiny.

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

16 gauge A.H. Fox A grade double barrel shotgun

Thank you…

The reward - Puck with a fresh grouse

The reward – Puck with a fresh grouse

Thank you to everyone who commented on yesterday’s post about Puck. It’s a shame that so many of you have been through the same thing.

My wife and I appreciate the condolences, stories, and kind words a great deal. Losing Puck has been tough, and your notes are a great comfort to both of us.

Puck’s bed is beside me here in my study, and I’ve turned to it several times this morning thinking she’ll be there, ready with wagging tail to go for a walk or for just a rub on the ear.

Goodbye, little girl…

Me & Puck, back when she won the Gundog Stake at the Maine Bird Dog Club's spring trial

Me & Puck, back when she won the Gundog Stake at the Maine Bird Dog Club’s spring trial

Puck passed away today at 11:17am. I’m too shaken up right now to say much more. Yesterday was tough day for us, and so was last night and this morning. Puck seemed fine on Saturday, but by last evening she had lost most of the use of her hind legs. By this morning she was unable to stand up, and she whined and cried whenever I tried to move her. Good by, little girl…

Sleeping with Puck last night, our last evening together

Sleeping with Puck last night, our last evening together

I shot this videos just over a week ago. Puck and I were out looking for spring woodcock. I thought we would get out several more times this spring, but fate decided this would be our last day in the field together.

WEBLEY & SCOTT BEST QUALITY BOXLOCK DOUBLE RIFLE 250-3000

WEBLEY & SCOTT BEST QUALITY BOXLOCK DOUBLE RIFLE 250-3000

WEBLEY & SCOTT BOXLOCK DOUBLE RIFLE 250-3000: 28″ BARREL WITH A 5 LEAF 1/4 RIB EXPRESS SIGHT AND A RAMP FRONT SIGHT DOUBLE TRIGGER EJECTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP MAKERS CASE A REAL TACK DRIVER EXCELLENT ORIGINAL CONDITION 8LBS 6 OZ X 14 1/8 LOP. Price: $24,500

12 gauge Winchester Model 21 Trap Double Barrel Shotgun: 1940s guns, 12 gauge, 2 3/4″ chambers, 30″ barrels, ejectors. Straight-grip stock. Beavertail forend. Bright bore. 14 3/16 LOP to Winchester recoil pad; 1 7/16 DAC; 2 3/16 DAH. Full & Full, 8lbs. Single select trigger. Some wear to metal finish, some dents, dings, and impressions on wood. Price: $8999

12 gauge Winchester Model 21 Trap Double Barrel Shotgun

12 gauge Winchester Model 21 Trap Double Barrel Shotgun

THIEME & SCHLEGELMILCH NIMROD SIDELOCK DRILLING - 12/12/WIN 30-30

THIEME & SCHLEGELMILCH NIMROD SIDELOCK DRILLING – 12/12/WIN 30-30

THIEME & SCHLEGELMILCH NIMROD SIDELOCK DRILLING – 12/12/WIN 30-30: Extremely rare Thieme & Schlegelmilch Nimrod Drilling. Best quality drilling made in Suhl, Germany in 1919. Original: claw mounts, claws and Busch scope. Unusual straight grip stock. Sharp engraving and excellent original case color. Barrels are 26 ¾” with shotgun barrels choked full and full. All barrels Nitro Proofed. Shotgun barrels are Excelsior Steel while rifle barrel is Bohler Steel. Rifle barrel in original Winchester  30/30 caliber. Excellent bores. Disc set strikers for shotgun barrels. Top tang safety and rifle engagement with three positions. Gun is tight on face with light use. Stock LOP is 14 ¾” with cast off. Provision for cheek riser (riser not included). Weight of gun is 8 LBS 2 1/8 OZ with scope. Price: $7,500

A.H. FOX A grade SXS 20 GA Double Barrel Shotgun: Serial #200381. 26″ bbls. Chokes: Lt.M (.010) & Lt.M (.010). Double trigger. Round Knob Semi-PG grip, Splinter Forearm. Weight: 5lb, 13oz. Dimensions 1 3/8 x 2 3/8 x 14 1/8 with 1/4 cast off. Original butt plate. Phildelphia gun Price: $3,900

A.H. FOX A grade SXS 20 Gauge Double Barrel Shotgun

A.H. FOX A grade SXS 20 Gauge Double Barrel Shotgun

CHARLES DALY PRUSSIAN SUPERIOR GRADE SxS SHOTGUN DOUBLE BARREL SHOTGUN

CHARLES DALY PRUSSIAN SUPERIOR GRADE SxS SHOTGUN DOUBLE BARREL SHOTGUN

CHARLES DALY DOUBLE BARREL PRUSSIAN SUPERIOR GRADE SxS SHOTGUN: 12 ga. 30″ bbls. Choked full and mod. Damascus steel pattern. A few minor pitting but generally VG bores. Has the desirable crossed pistols motif under bbl indicating it is a Prussian made. Ejectors. Original wood in VG+ condition with nice sharp checkering. Circasian style walnut measuring 14-1/8″ to end of the pad. Receiver retains about 25% case colors. Bbl has about 60-70% . Nice Damascus pattern showing. Very nice all original gun. Crisp mechanical condition. Price: $2,750.

Parker AHE 20ga Double Barrel Shotgun

Parker AHE 20ga Double Barrel Shotgun

It must be rare-Parker season. Here’s another one that’s hard to find. Parker Bros. made just 306 AH grade hammerless shotguns. Of those, I bet very few are late 20 gauges like this one.

Parker AHE 20ga Double Barrel Shotgun: 0 Frame, Single trigger, English stock, Splinter forend, Skeleton butt. A rare sweet Parker with a beautiful piece of wood 14 1/4 LOP 0 Frame 26 in ic/m good case color and blue 3 quail on left side pheasents on right side and bottom A Remington Era gun Find another one of these 6lbs 6oz. Price: $49,500

Parker AHE 20ga Double Barrel Shotgun

Parker AHE 20ga Double Barrel Shotgun

Parker AHE 20ga Double Barrel Shotgun

Parker AHE 20ga Double Barrel Shotgun

Parker AHE 20ga Double Barrel Shotgun

Parker AHE 20ga Double Barrel Shotgun

Parker AHE 20ga Double Barrel Shotgun

Parker AHE 20ga Double Barrel Shotgun

W & C Scott & Sons 8 Bore Double Hammer Shotgun With Extra 10 Bore Barrels

W & C Scott & Sons 8 Bore Double Hammer Shotgun With Extra 10 Bore Barrels

I used to have a thing for 8 gauges. I wanted badly to find one, like a tick wants to find a deer. I even bought a pile of 8 gauge ammo in anticipation of owning one some day. If I were still interested in 8s, I would be salivating over this one. It looks like a awesome gun, in excellent, original condition. Amoskeag Auction Company has it, and they’re selling it on Saturday, March 29, 2014.

Big guns like this were used to pass shoot ducks, geese, and swans, and in the 19th century they were common along the big flyways up and down the Eastern Seaboard. In the 20th century, they fell out of favor and were eventually outlawed by the Federal Government for use on all migratory species. Today, some states allow them for use on other game species (like turkeys), while other states have completely outlawed their use for hunting.

W & C Scott & Sons 8 Bore Double Hammer Shotgun With Extra 10 Bore Barrels

W & C Scott & Sons 8 Bore Double Hammer Shotgun With Extra 10 Bore Barrels

Lot #185: A Tremendous W & C Scott & Sons 8 Bore Double Hammer Shotgun With Extra 10 Bore Barrels: Serial #29486, 8 bore, 36″ damascus barrels choked about .020 in each with bright excellent bores, and 10 bore, 32 3/8″ damascus barrels choked improved cylinder in each having bright very good bores showing very faint frosting. This gun was originally made as an 8 bore and the 10 gauge barrels along with a new forearm were added by the maker at a later date and serial numbered to the gun. The 8 bore barrels exhibit some pattern turning mostly silver with scattered light oxidation spots and an area of pinprick pitting at the breech to the right side of the rib. The 10 bore barrels exhibit 70% of their original brown color displaying an area of pinprick pitting on the top about ten inches from the breech along with some scratches and dings. Both sets of barrels have the maker’s name and London address engraved on the top rib with matching engraved borders around the breech ends and rib extensions.

W & C Scott & Sons 8 Bore Double Hammer Shotgun With Extra 10 Bore Barrels

W & C Scott & Sons 8 Bore Double Hammer Shotgun With Extra 10 Bore Barrels

The frame, locks, and hammers all display various shades of case color, the locks retaining 80% with the balance of the metal surfaces showing a mix of brown, pewter, and spots of color. All of the metal has border engraving with the top lever indicating the maker’s “Patent”. The figured straight grip stock rates very good displaying a few dings and scratches over the original polished oil finish with some staining evident around the butt pad and the grip is finely checkered in a well executed full wrap-around pattern showing some soiling.

The original splinter forearm is attached via a cross pin and rates similarly to the stock with well defined lightly soiled checkering; it has a nicely carved decorative metal tip. The second splinter forearm accompanying the 10 bore barrels is about an inch shorter and has a later lever release. Its condition is similar with good lightly soiled checkering. An old distorted rubber recoil pad is present providing a length of 14 1/2″ and the gun features double rebounding hammers with extractors and weighs 15 lbs. This shotgun was made in 1878 and the extra barrels and forearm were added a short time later as Scott stopped using that type of forearm release in 1892. It remains in remarkable condition considering its age and use. Est: $6000-$8000

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

In Catholic School, the nuns taught us that to covet is to sin. The second I saw this double barrel shotgun, I sinned. It’s a 16 gauge Parker BHE and it appears to be all original.

Parker made just 1,034 BH-grade hammerless shotguns. This one was built in 1924 and it was ordered with Extra Fine Damascus barrels – an unusual choice for such a later Parker. At $35,000 it’s not cheap. But judging by what nice, high-grade Parkers are bringing these days, it’s not that expensive, either.

16 gauge Parker BHE Double Barrel Side-by-Side Shotgun – $35,000

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

Grip: Straight Grip
Forend: Checkered
Lop: 14 5/8 ”
Pad thickness:
Type of butt: Skeleton Buttplate
Drop @ comb: 1 1/2 ”
Drop @ heel: 2 5/8 ”
Weight: 6 lbs, 12 oz

Gauge: 16 ga
Chamber: 2 9/16 ”
Length: 28 ”
Chokes: IM/M
Rib type: Concave File Cut

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

16 gauge Parker BHE double barrel shotgun, #208485

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