See a forgotten American classic: 8 gauge Sneider SxS …

8-gauge Sneider, Baltimore, SxS Double Barrel Hammerless Shotgun, 1880
8-gauge Sneider, Baltimore, SxS Double Barrel Hammerless Shotgun, 1880

Charles Sneider is a name few people think of when they think of American shotgun makers. And for good reason.

Front cover of an original Clark & Sneider catalog
Front cover of an original Clark & Sneider catalog, 1880 or so. Charles Sneider joined with Duncan Clark for a while to form Clark & Sneider

Even though he was talented and inventive, Sneider’s business was tiny. Over the course of his career, he may have built 500 guns — and that’s probably a big stretch. Compare that to Parker Bros., who built 225,000+ shotguns while they around.

Page from Original Clark & Sneider catalog
Page from Original Clark & Sneider catalog, showing their new hammerless gun

But the guns Sneider did build were highly regarded, especially by waterfowlers on the Chesapeake Bay. Sneider’s business was in Baltimore and he could smell the bay from his shop. Side-by-sides like the 8-gauge you see here didn’t have to go very far from his bench to get into some shooting.

8-gauge Sneider, Baltimore, SxS Double Barrel Hammerless Shotgun, 1880
8-gauge Sneider, Baltimore, SxS Double Barrel Hammerless Shotgun, 1880

Sneider started in the gun business as a ‘smith and moved on to converting muzzleloaders to breechloaders and then to building hammer guns. He got into hammerless-shotguns around 1879-1880 with his own, patented design. The gun you see here is built on that design. It’s a $300-grade, 8-gauge Sneider — the company’s top-of-the-line shotgun, and it appears to be in solid original condition.

8-gauge Sneider, Baltimore, SxS Double Barrel Hammerless Shotgun, 1880
8-gauge Sneider, Baltimore, SxS Double Barrel Hammerless Shotgun, 1880

In a time when earning $15 a week was killing it, three-hundred dollars was a lot of money to pay for a shotgun. So this SxS was certainly someone’s prized possession, and it looks like they took care of it.

Schematics of the Sneider hammerless shotgun
Schematics of the Sneider hammerless shotgun

Sneider’s design for his hammerless gun incorporated several interesting features, including a sliding locking bolt on the face of the action and a safety positioned on the top edge of the toplever. The locking bolt was a clever solution to a common problem. It stopped the barrels from opening too far and wearing on the hinge pin (which causes a gun to go “off the face”).

8-gauge Sneider, Baltimore, SxS Double Barrel Hammerless Shotgun, 1880
8-gauge Sneider, Baltimore, SxS Double Barrel Hammerless Shotgun, 1880
8-gauge Sneider, Baltimore, SxS Double Barrel Hammerless Shotgun, 1880
8-gauge Sneider, Baltimore, SxS Double Barrel Hammerless Shotgun, 1880

BTW: SxS 8-gauges like this are sometimes called “market guns”. They aren’t and they never were. Market guns were used by commercial waterfowlers, and guys in that business had better things to spend $300 than a gun.

This week’s 5 doubles you don’t want to miss…

PARKER DH 8 GAUGE SUPER RARE NOT ANOTHER LIKE IT IN THE WORLD
PARKER DH 8 GAUGE SUPER RARE NOT ANOTHER LIKE IT IN THE WORLD

PARKER DH 8 GAUGE SUPER RARE NOT ANOTHER LIKE IT IN THE WORLD: #6 FRAME, #159XXX, 34″ STEEL BARRELS WITH FLAT RIB, DOUBLE TRIGGERS, EXTRACTORS, SPLINTER FOREARM, ENGLISH GRIP, THIS GUN HAS ALL OF THE ORIGINAL CASE COLORS, A FEW LIGHT MARKS IN THE WOOD, OUTSTANDING ORIGINAL GUN, 12LBS 4 OZ, 2″ DAH, 1 1/2″ DAC, 14″ LOP TO ORIGINAL PAD. Price: $79,500 

Incredible AS NEW Parker DHE 16ga with 30" Barrels
Incredible AS NEW Parker DHE 16ga with 30″ Barrels

Incredible AS NEW Parker DHE 16ga with 30″ Barrels: A BENCHMARK Parker with 30″ Titanic Steel barrels, made on a #1 frame.  Made with original Miller SST, auto ejectors, splinter forend, and capped pistol grip- gun also has the original leather faced Hawkins pad. Chambers: 2-3/4″, Ejectors: Yes, Condition: Minty, Bore Condition: Brilliant and shiny, Barrels: Titanic Steel 30″, Triggers: Original Miller Trigger, Gauge: 16ga, Stock Dimensions: 13-1/2″ LOP from rear position SST, Stock Drop: 1-5/8″ DAC 2-9/16″ DAH, Fore End: Splinter, Butt Pad: Original Hawkins Pad, Bores: Right .662″ Left .660″, Choke Left: .020″, Choke Right: .004″. This gun retains virtually all factory original finish to both wood and metal with only very minor handling marks in the wood.  Case colors are bold and vivid at 100% as is barrel blue.  Trigger guard blue is 100% original.  This is truly a benchmark Parker.  Guaranteed original in every respect. Price: $15,500

Webley & Scott 450 BPE Double Rifle

Webley & Scott 450 BPE Double Rifle: This is a fantastic condition Webley & Scott 450 3 ¼” black powder express double rifle with a 26” barrel. It has a nice weight of 8 pounds 14 ounces and the LOP is 14 3/8”. The DAH is 17/8” and the DAC is 1 ¼”. It retains 95% of the beautiful case colors and 90% barrel finish. The locks, tang, hammers and under lever are nicely engraved. The receiver top is nicely stippled and the barrel rib is matted. Even the butt plate is engraved. The mechanical function on this underlever hammer gun is excellent with perfect bores. The checkering is sharp. The beautiful wood has one small ding on the forearm and two small impressions on the buttstock. The action on this rifle is tight as new. Price: $7,495

Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing *** RBL *** Reserve 20 Gauge *** NRA *** Ejector Shotgun
Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing *** RBL *** Reserve 20 Gauge *** NRA *** Ejector Shotgun

Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing *** RBL *** Reserve 20 Gauge *** NRA *** Ejector Shotgun: NATIONAL RIFLE  ASSOCIATION  Shotgun  28 inch barrels with hidden chokes tubes, Tru Oil, Exhibition Upgraded Wood, Beavertail forearm, 14 1/4 inch LOP, capped pistol grip, and extended trigger guard.  Full coverage engraving with rose and scroll with super case colors. Now the most important – This is number 33 of the National Rifle Association Connecticut Shotgun Limited Edition.  This model has Wayne Lapierre’s signature in gold on the trigger gaurd and the gold   NRA   emblem in the center of the bottom plate.  ***** A rare gun in near perfect condition.*****  Price: $3,495

Beautiful high original condition Lefever Special Order 12 Bore with straight stock and special features
Beautiful high original condition Lefever Special Order 12 Bore with straight stock and special features

Beautiful high original condition Lefever Special Order 12 Bore with straight stock and special features: Beautiful special order Lefever in high original condition.  Gun has original 26″ Damascus barrels which have nearly all of their original pattern present.  Splinter forend with carved ebony Dog’s head at center and engraved steel tip.  Action has bursts of scroll engraving on sides and bottom and is in meticulous original condition with about 75% bold original color remaining.  Straight grip buttstock with high-grade European walnut and original Lefever Arms Co. monogrammed buttplate. Original gold plated double triggers! Chambers: 2-5/8″, Ejectors: Extractors, Bore Condition: Mirror bright and shiny, Triggers: Gold plated double triggers, Stock Dimensions: 14″ LOP, Stock Comb: 1-13/16, Stock Heel: 3″, Fore End: Splinter, Butt Pad: Orig. Lefever buttplate, Weight: 6lbs14oz, Bores: .738″ (both barrels), Choke Left: .031″, Choke Right: .016″ This is a gorgeous high original condition Lefever worthy of any American double gun collection.  If you have been looking for a great high original condition Lefever, look no further.  This one is wonderful. Price: $3450

Auction alert: 8-gauge Ralph Grant SxS plus ammo …

8 gauge Ralph Grant Boxlock SxS shotgun
8 gauge Ralph Grant Boxlock SxS shotgun

Here’s something you almost never see for sale in the U.S: A modern 8g SxS shotgun. It’s on Gunbroker.com now and the online auction ends on 2/4/2019 @ 8:30 PM.

These days, 8-gauge shotguns are mythical beasts, like Gryphons or a Hydras.  But at the end of the 19th century and into the first part of the 20th, good-quality 8 gauge shotguns were common up and down the Eastern seaboard and anywhere in the US where guys hunted waterfowl. And no, they weren’t used as “market” guns. Instead, they were used to pass shoot ducks, geese, and swans at long ranges.

8 gauge Ralph Grant Boxlock SxS shotgun
8 gauge Ralph Grant Boxlock SxS shotgun

Unfortunately, in the 1930s the Federal Government outlawed the use of 8 gauges on migratory birds, and that killed demand for them. Today, some states allow you to use them for turkeys and predator hunting. Others state don’t allow you to hunt with them at all.

That being said, the 8 gauges have always had a following in the UK and they remain legal. This gun was made to meet that demand. Built in Spain and imported into Great Britain, it found its way over here. Now you have the chance to bring it home.

8 gauge Ralph Grant Boxlock SxS shotgun
8 gauge Ralph Grant Boxlock SxS shotgun

Ralph Grant Eight Bore SXS Shotgun plus Ammo 8 Ga: Ralph Grant, a retailer from Leicester, England marketed these fine Spanish made shotguns in England and the water table bears both Eibar and Birmingham proofs. Made in 1985, it features 32” barrels with 3-1/2” chambers, full chokes (fixed) and raised matted rib with mid and front beads, engraved and coin finished double bite boxlock action with bushed firing pins and automatic safety, double bordered hand checkered stocks with beavertail forend with Anson release and 14-5/8” LOP butt with ventilated recoil pad.

8 gauge ammo for the 8g Ralph Grant Boxlock SxS shotgun
8 gauge ammo for the 8g Ralph Grant Boxlock SxS shotgun

It comes with two sealed boxes and two loose rounds of English made Gamebore Cartridge Company, Ltd. The Mammoth Heavy Load 3-1/2” black powder 2-ounce number 5’s for a total of 22 cartridges. It is in excellent condition retaining 98% high luster blue with thinning at the muzzles and breech ends, 99% bright finished frame, perfect bores and completely sound stocks with scattered light to moderate handling marks. Lock-up is 100% on-face with zero play, the top lever comes to rest well right of center and the action works perfectly. Ya know that bird that’s laughing at you from way up there? Ruin his day.

An big 8 gauge from a mysterious American maker..

P. Mullin New York SxS 8 Gauge Hammer Shotgun
P. Mullin New York SxS 8 Gauge Hammer Shotgun

Here’s a tough shotgun to find. It’s an 8 gauge waterfowler by an American “maker” named Patrick Mullin, and it’s on a Henry-Jones Patent action. It was probably built in 1870s.

In its day, this big-bore shotgun was far too expensive to be used by a commercial hunter as a “market gun”. Instead, a wealthy sportsman would have specially ordered it and used it in marshes, shorelines and flyways to pass shoot waterfowl at long ranges (80+ yards) and knock down big birds like geese and swans.

P. Mullin New York SxS 8 Gauge Hammer Shotgun
P. Mullin New York SxS 8 Gauge Hammer Shotgun

Patrick Mullin made guns in New York City from around 1850-1870. He was born in Donegal, Ireland, in 1814 and trained in Dublin and London before moving to the U.S.

On his death in 1895, the New York Times published his obituary and wrote “He turned out guns of his own handiwork that were unsurpassed in excellence.” Here’s a Mullin 8 bore muzzeloader that shows just how beautiful his work could be.

But while we know who Mullin was, the mysterious part of his legacy is just how much of his guns he actually built. On this 8 gauge,  I’m calling Mullin the “maker” because he didn’t make that much of it. Even though his name is on the locks and barrels, all of those, plus the action and leverwork, came from the UK. Mullin may have stocked the gun and finished it off. But that’s it.

Regardless, though, it’s beautifully made. Too bad it isn’t in better shape like the one you see here.

P. Mullin New York SxS 8 Gauge Hammer Shotgun

8 gauge Mullin shotgun, top-quality British locks
8 gauge Mullin shotgun, top-quality British locks
8 gauge Mullin shotgun, first-rate inletting for locks
8 gauge Mullin shotgun, first-rate inletting for locks
Stock Dimensions 13 3/4″ LOP
Status available
Metal Condition Fair, Finish Wear Nicks and Scratches, Areas of Light Corrosion
Trigger Double Triggers, Side Hammers
Gun Library LaVista, NE
Barrel 38 1/2″
Fore End Checkered
Butt Metal Butt Plate
Sights Single Gold Bead
Wood Condition Stock is Fair, Small Nicks, Scratches and Dents and Large Split Left Side
Weight 14 Lbs 12 ozs

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PARKER DH DAMASCUS SxS 28 GAUGE 1 OF 8 MADE BEST IN THE WORLD
PARKER DH DAMASCUS SxS 28 GAUGE 1 OF 8 MADE BEST IN THE WORLD

PARKER DH DAMASCUS SxS 28 GAUGE 1 OF 8 MADE BEST IN THE WORLD: O FRAME
#121XXX 26″ DAMASCUS FULL AND FULL 2 1/2″ CHAMBERS. DOUBLE TRIGGER EXTRACTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP SKELETON BUTT. YOU WILL NEVER SEE A BETTER MORE ORIGINAL. 5LBS 8 OZ X 2 1/2″ X 1 9/16″ X 14 1/4″ Price: $59,500

PARKER PH DAMASCUS SIDE-BY-SIDE 20 GAUGE#88XXX, O FRAME, 30″ DAMASCUS BARRELS IC AND IC 2 1/2″ CHAMBERS DOUBLE TRIGGER EXTRACTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP EXCELLENT NEAR MINT ORIGINAL CONDITION WITH ALOT OF CASE COLORS 6LBS 11 OZ X 3 X 2 X 14 TO DOGS HEAD BUTT. Price: $5,500

PARKER PH DAMASCUS SIDE-BY-SIDE 20 GAUGE
PARKER PH DAMASCUS SIDE-BY-SIDE 20 GAUGE
J P Clabrough impressive 8 gauge Side-by-Side sidelock hammer double:
J P Clabrough impressive 8 gauge Side-by-Side sidelock hammer double:

J P Clabrough impressive 8 gauge Side-by-Side sidelock hammer double: SxS hammer shotgun, circa 1887.  Until acquiring this gun I couldn’t use the words massive and beautiful in the same sentence when describing a shotgun!  The 36” barrels are Damascus steel with the pattern showing nicely, slightly browning with flawless/bright bores and chambers.  The barrels are fitted to a finely, fully engraved frame featuring with lots of scroll and game scene vignettes of pheasants on the left side and English black grouse on the right side with good traces of original colors present.  The engraved English black grouse were something of a “signature” engraving pattern on Clabrough mid and higher grade guns.  The double triggers are housed by a large trigger guard and the bottom tang that is fitted all the way to the engraved metal pistol grip cap.  The stock has a 14” LOP to the center of the original horn buttplate, 2” DAC and 3” DAH with neutral cast.  The stock and cross pin forearm have all of their original finishes with a fair amount of handling marks and yet no cracks or chips.  This is a really spectacular example of a Clabrough gun and an even more incredible example of an early 8 gauge, graded hammer gun.  By the “way” it weighs 13 lbs. 15 oz. SN:  16821  Price: $5,150

AyA No.1 - 20ga - Churchill Style Gun - - 25" IC / M - Churchill Rib
AyA No.1 – 20ga – Churchill Style Gun – – 25″ IC / M – Churchill Rib

AyA No.1 Sidelock Ejector – 20ga, 2-3/4″, 25″ IC / M (.006 / .015) Churchill RibDouble Triggers – Front Articulated, English Stock, Splinter Forearm, LOP 14-3/8″ over a very nicely executed 1″ Leather Covered Pad, Drop 1-1/2″ to 2-3/8″, Slight Cast Off for the Right Hand. Weight 6 lbs. 1 oz. A Very Nice, High Quality, little gun that would be perfect for Quail or Grouse. Originally, the number 2 gun of a pair. Overall Excellent Condition. Metal finishes at 98% or better. Bores are flawless. Oil finished stocks excellent with some typical handling marks. This gun has more engraving than any Model No. 2 I’ve seen, so I believe it is a Model No. 1. Price: $3450

 

 

L. Van Cauwenberghe SxS Boxlock Shotgun 16 GA:  $799.99
Chambers: 2 3/4″
Metal Condition: Excellent, Light Finish Wear, Small Nicks & Scratches
Wood Condition: Stock is Excellent, Minor Nicks and Scratches
Bore Condition: Bright
Barrels: 27 1/2
Triggers: Double Triggers

L. Van Cauwenberghe SxS Shotgun 16 GA
L. Van Cauwenberghe SxS Shotgun 16 GA

Stock: Semi Gloss Finish
Stock Dimensions: 14 1/4″ LOP
Fore End: Checkered
Butt Pad: Factory Butt Plate
Weight: 6 Lbs 8 ozs
Sights: Single Gold Bead
Chokes: Fixed IM / Full

Two beasts: An American 8 gauge, a British 4 gauge …

Big & beautiful. E. M. Reilly 4 gauge SxS Double Barrel Hammer Shotgun
Big & beautiful. E. M. Reilly 4 gauge SxS Double Barrel Hammer Shotgun

If you collect big bore, waterfowling shotguns, or want to start, you’re in luck: Two of finest you’ll ever find are coming up in James D. Julia’s April, 2017, auction. In their day, big bores like these were far too expensive to be used by commercial hunters as “market guns.”

Instead, they were bought by well-off sportsmen and used to pass shoot ducks, geese and even swans. From what I’ve read, as hunting pressure along the Eastern flyways increased,  waterfowl became warier (and scarcer). To bring them down, hunters needed guns that could reach out further. With their big loads and heavy charges, big bores were able to do this.

Big & beautiful. E. M. Reilly 4 gauge SxS Double Barrel Hammer Shotgun
Big & beautiful. E. M. Reilly 4 gauge SxS Double Barrel Hammer Shotgun

A monstrous & fabulous E.M. Reilly 4 gauge Side-by-Side hammer shotgun. I’ve had this double in my hands, and it’s incredible. To help it resist corrosion, it was nickel-plated and it features no engraving. It was probably made in England in the 1870s, and it remains in incredible — and to my eye — all original condition. Interestingly, it has stalking safeties on it – a feature normally reserved for hammer rifles.

An awesome 8 gauge L.C, Smith Quality 2. Stunning original condition.
An awesome 8 gauge L.C, Smith Quality 2. Stunning original condition.

An L.C. Smith 8 gauge Quality No. 2 Side-by-Side hammerless shotgun. I’m pretty sure this shotgun popped up on the market a few years ago. If it’s the same gun, it’s in incredible original condition and pretty much new. L.C. Smith probably made fewer than 50 eight gauges. This one has to be the finest one in existence. The Quality No. 2 was L.C. Smith’s lower middle grade. The company built them from 1890-1914 and made 12,483 total. Of those, just 38 were 8 gauges.

An awesome 8 gauge L.C, Smith Quality 2. Stunning original condition.
An awesome 8 gauge L.C, Smith Quality 2. Stunning original condition.

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Parker GH 8 Gauge SxS Shotgun
Parker GH 8 Gauge SxS Shotgun

Parker GH 8 Gauge SxS Shotgun36” Damascus Steel Barrels. 1 of only 16 made in this configuration. Year 1911. 13lbs, 2oz. Serial Number:  156790 Price: $14,000
Chokes: Full and Full, .048” Left and .054” Right
Bores: Very Good with very minor pitting (frosting) near the chambers.
Bore Diameter: 0.845” Left and 0.846” Right
Minimum Barrel Wall Thickness: 0.059” Left and 0.056” Right
Chambers: 3.25”
Ribs: Tight
Frame Size: #6
Extractors
Screws: Perfect
Engraving: Sharp
Trigger Type: Double
Type: Capped pistol grip with splinter forend, figured
LOP: 14.25”
DAC: 1.5”
DAH: 2.5”
Cast: 0
Checkering Condition: Excellent, Factory
Butt: Parker Dog’s Head Buttplate (DHBT)

ITHACA -20 GAUGE FLUES MODEL GRADE 4E - 28 INCH BARRELS CHOKED IC/M
ITHACA -20 GAUGE FLUES MODEL GRADE 4E – 28 INCH BARRELS CHOKED IC/M

ITHACA -20 GAUGE FLUES MODEL GRADE 4E – 28 INCH BARRELS CHOKED IC/MPISTOL GRIP WITH LOGO BUTTPLATE -EXCELLENT WOOD FIGURE -LOP 14″ DROPS 1 11/16″  X 2 3/4″ – WT. 5 LBS. 13 OZS. – GOLD PLATED DOUBLE TRIGGERS – AUTO SAFTEY – BARRLE BLUE 99% – CASE COLROS 90% – TOP LEVER RIGHT OF CENTER – SER.# 224XXX – IT WOULD HARD TO FIND ANOTHER 20 GA. 4E  WITH 28″ BLS. AS NICE AS THIS GUN .  APPEARS TO BE ALL ORIGINAL CONDIITON. Price: $9,000

BROWNING B25 GRADE 1 TRADITIONAL SUPERPOSED 20 GAUGEMADE 2002 30″ MOD AND FULL SOLID RIB 3″ CHAMBERS SINGLE SELECT TRIGGER EJECTORS FIELD FOREARM PISTOL GRIP EXCELLENT CONDITION 6LBS 9 OZ X 2 1/8″ X 1 1/2″ X 15 1/4″. Price: $7,500

BROWNING B25 GRADE 1 TRADITIONAL SUPERPOSED 20 GAUGE
BROWNING B25 GRADE 1 TRADITIONAL SUPERPOSED 20 GAUGE
ANSLEY FOX 12 GAUGE SHOTGUN C GRADE
ANSLEY FOX 12 GAUGE SHOTGUN C GRADE

ANSLEY FOX 12 GAUGE SHOTGUN C GRADE: THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL ANSLEY FOX C GRADE 12 GAUGE DOUBLE BARREL SHOTGUN WITH ENGRAVING.  THIS GUN HAS SOME OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOOD I HAVE SEEN ON A GUN .  THIS GUN IS EQUIPPED WITH 30″ KRUPP BARRELS AND A 14″ LENGTH OF PULL.  THIS GUN WAS MANUFACTURED IN 1909. THIS GUN IS ALL ORIGINAL!!!!!!!!!!  Price: $6,300

BERETTA – RARE – S55  OU- 28ga – 28″ M / FVery Hard to Find in 28ga! 1976 – Beretta S55 – 28ga, 28″ M / F (.015 / .024) – LOP 14-1/4″, Drop 1-1/2″ to 2-3/8″, Weight 5 lbs. 13 oz. Condition is “Like New.” The S55 is the same gun as the BL3 – except for the engraving. Price: $1950

ERETTA - RARE - S55 OU- 28ga - 28" M / F:
ERETTA – RARE – S55 OU- 28ga – 28″ M / F:

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Boss & Co. 12 gauge Best Quality and extremely rare self opening London sidelock
Boss & Co. 12 gauge Best Quality and extremely rare self opening London sidelock

Boss & Co. 12 gauge Best Quality and extremely rare self opening London sidelockThis Boss was built between the wars and is one of only 56 ever made as a true self opener. Having excellent original wall thickness and dimensions this fine Boss correctly and elegantly represents what is considered the paragon of British gun making, the Boss BEST sidelock ejector. This Boss comes in a correct VC (stands for Very Compact) motor case and is truly ready for the field and to be appreciated by its new owner. Price: $32,000.00
Serial Number: 8355
Ejectors: Yes
Barrels: 28″, Choke: IC, Skeet 1
Action: Sidelock ejector
LOP: 14 1/8″ (13 11/16″ o
Weight: 6 lbs. 5 oz.
Choke
Proof: Nitro: 2 1/2″

 Reilly 8 Bore underlever hammer double rifle

Reilly 8 Bore underlever hammer double rifle

Reilly 8 Bore underlever hammer double rifleFully rifled 8 Bore Jones underlever rebounding hammer double rifle. 24″ damascus barrels with strong rifling with minor pitting in front of the chambers. Bores are very good. The full lenth rib has a dolls head extension with one fixed sight and one folding sight. This double rifle was made about 1892 and is very very similar to the Holland and Manton 8 Bore double rifles and was probably made by the same maker. The right weight for an 8 Bore at 16 pounds 8.8 ounces with the barrel weight at 9 pounds 12 ounces. The twist is about 1 in 56 indicating a conical bullet rifle. The chambers are 3 1/4″. The double rifle locks up on face and is mechanically in very very good condition. It is border engraved and the  makers name is on both back action locks.The pull is 14 3/8 ” over what looks to be a horn butt plate. The stock is solid and very sound with NO proud metal. Wood to metal fit is very very good also! The barrels were rebrowned in England and retain about 95% finish. The stock has the correct patina as you would expect for an English double rifle, the checkering is crisp. The stock has a shadowline Holland style cheekpiece and is in excellent condition. The screw heads are in good condition showing very little wear. The detriment to the rifle is the pitting over the action, locks, underlever and forend iron. The pitting does NOT effect the use of the rifle and could be polished out and the border engraving recut. Price: $15,950 

 PARKER BROS., MODEL DHE., 20 GA., 0 FRAME. Price: $12,500

PARKER BROS., MODEL DHE., 20 GA., 0 FRAME. Price: $12,500

PARKER BROS., MODEL DHE., 20 GA., 0 FRAME. Price: $12,500
ID #   6140
Make   PARKER BROS
Model   DHE
Configuration   SXS
Gauge / Caliber   20 GA
Serial #    236110
Country of Origin   America
Barrel Length (in Inches) 26
Choke R/U   M (Modified)
Choke L/O    F (Full)
Trigger   DT (Double)
Stock Configuration   Pistol Grip
Forearm Type   Splinter Forearm
Rib Type   Matted Concave Rib
Receiver Finish   Casehardened – TRACES OF COLOR IN PROTECTED AREAS
Engraving Type   DHE: Fine Scroll w/ Cameos Engraving
Other Options   0 FRAME, FACTORY DOGS HEAD BUTT. GOLD OVAL
Condition   Near EXC. Condition, ALL ORIGINAL
Weight   5LB 12 OZ
Dimensions    DAC 1-1/2, DAH 2-5/8, LOP 14, C/O 1/4
Other Details    BRADY BROS. LEATHER CASE, PARKER BROS. FACTORY PAPERS, LIGHT WEIGHT GAME GUN

Manufrance Ideal 16g #4 SxS Shotgun
Manufrance Ideal 16g #4 SxS Shotgun

Manufrance Ideal #4 SxS Shotgun16GA, 2 3/4″ chambers, double trigger extractors, 28 M&F with mint bores, 100% color case in the protected areas and 60% around the action, 60% on the rest of the gun with nice open engraving. Original blue. Nice piece of wood, straight grip with retractable sling. Original butt plate. This gun is in excellent condition and has a very tight action. Dimensions are 14 x 1 1/4 x 2 1/4, weight 5lb 13oz. It is very hard to find a round action gun like this one. Price: $3,500

Beretta 471 Side x Side ~ 20 GaugeWith original factory hard case and manual Price: $2,699.99 Manufacturer: S/N – S10351A
Caliber: 20 GA
Chambers: 3
Metal Condition: Excellent
Wood Condition: Very Good / Excellent

Beretta 471 Side x Side ~ 20 Gauge
Beretta 471 Side x Side ~ 20 Gauge

Bore Condition: Mirror
Barrels: 28
Triggers: Factory
Stock: Checkered Walnut
Stock Dimensions:
14-1/4″ LOP
Fore End: Checkered Walnut
Butt Pad: Brown Rubber
Weight: 6lb 15oz
Sights: Bead Front
Chokes: CYL X IC

Auction alert: Rare Sneider 8 gauge hammerless sxs…

8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun

I’ve always been fascinated by 8 gauges. Back in the 19th and in the early 20th century, high-quality eights like the one you see here were used by sportsman to pass shoot ducks, geese & swans. Parker, L.C. Smith & Lefever all made eights. So did smaller American makers like Sneider.

This 8g Sneider was made in the 1880s. When this SxS was built, it was one of the finest hammerless shotguns being made in America — and one of the most innovative.

Charles Edward Sneider learned his trade in Europe and by 1859 he was in Baltimore working for Thomas Poultney & David B. Trimble. By 1865, Sneider was on his own, working in Baltimore from a shop on 66 S Sharp St. In 1874 his sons  — Charles Lewis & Charles William  — were working with him. Charles William filed the patent that created this shotgun in 1880.

8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun

This patent cocked on the fall of the barrels and the locks used coiled springs, which were thought to be more reliable than leaf springs.  Sneider built several grades of shotguns on this patent. The upper grades (like the one shown here), locked up with a sliding bolt which engaged a bite in the rear barrel lump and top extension. They also featured compensating hinge pin which could be adjusted for wear and a unique sliding barrel stop which kept the barrels from wearing on the hinge pin when the gun was opened.

Front cover of an original Clark & Sneider catalog
Front cover of an original Clark & Sneider catalog

This Sneider is on Gunbroker.com now and the auction ends 6/26/2016 9:00 PM.


Sneider Highgrade 8 GA. SxS
: barrel rib marked “Sneider’s Patent Baltimore MD” Sneider was America’s first true sidelock shotgun. 36″ fine damascus barrels. Nice shinny bore with very small area of light pitting. No dings dents or bulges in barrels. Gun locks up tight and solid. Receiver and trigger guard are beautifully engraved. Dog head on trigger guard. Marsh scene with water foul on side plates. Gun is serial numbered 610 on trigger guard and water table. Small chip at toe of butt plate only – not wood. Chip at end of right side of forearm. Weight 13lbs 14.1 oz. LOP 13 5/8″ & 12 5/8″. DAC 2 1/4″. DAH 3 5/8″

8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
Page from Original Clark & Sneider catalog
Page from Original Clark & Sneider catalog
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun
8 gauge Sneider Baltimore SxS Hammerless Shotgun

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WESTLEY RICHARDS 8 BORE- 16 Lbs. 3 Oz.- EXHIBIT PIECE at PARIS WORLD'S FAIR in 1900- 26" FULLY RIFLED DAMASCUS Bbls.- EXC. BORES- CASED
WESTLEY RICHARDS 8 BORE- 16 Lbs. 3 Oz.- EXHIBIT PIECE at PARIS WORLD’S FAIR in 1900- 26″ FULLY RIFLED DAMASCUS Bbls.- EXC. BORES- CASED

WESTLEY RICHARDS 8 BORE- 16 Lbs. 3 Oz.- EXHIBIT PIECE at PARIS WORLD’S FAIR in 1900- 26″ FULLY RIFLED DAMASCUS Bbls.- EXC. BORES- CASED: Westley Toplever Centerfire Patent Ejector 8 Bore Rifle Finished in 1900 as an Exhibition Piece for the Paris World’s Fair in 1900, The barrels are 26″ Ejector Damascus fully rifled with 9 groove rifling with “C” Bolting” Dolls Head extension with a Third Bite, They both are initialed “F.L.” which most likely was Fred Lilley, A swamped concave stippled and engraved rib with 2 folding engraved sights at 50 & 100 yards, The rib engraved “3 1/4″ Case 12 Drams Spherical Ball 10 Drams Conical Bullet” which is special as the rifling pitch is such to handle both a round or conical bullet with the 12 dram or 10 dram load respectively, Top tang safety, Full length trigger guard tang to a steel engraved grip cap with a Bull Elephant engraved on the trigger guard bow, Extremely solid and sound wood with very nice color & contrast, Shadowline cheekpiece, Checkered side panels with carved teardrops, Sling eyes, Deeley & Edge forend release with a horn tip, John Deeley was the managing director of Westley from 1872 to 1899, He helped create the famous Anson & Deeley action, Great stock length at 15 1/8″ LOP over a 7/8″ Silvers pad, Great weight at 16 Lbs. 3 Oz., This is a full rifled set of barrels and the bores remain excellent and I would put the right bore at 90% and the left bore at 95-96% from the day they were rifled, All the screws are in very good to excellent shape and nearly everyone lays north & south, Original damascus pattern remains at 80%, The wood finish remains at 90%, The checkering remains at 97%, The whole is cased in an oak & leather brass cornered trunk with proper cleaning accessories. This is an interesting 8 bore with an Anson & Deeley toplever action with ejectors and certainly worthy as an exhibit gun at the Paris World’s Fair in 1900. It comes with a very interesting and original Paris World’s Fair catalog that is great reading of a bygone era.  Price: $45,000

PARKER PH IN RARE 8GA WITH 38" BARRELS
PARKER PH IN RARE 8GA WITH 38″ BARRELS

PARKER PH IN RARE 8GA WITH 38″ BARRELSVISIBLE PATINA ON PLAIN TWIST BARRELS, SILVER BROWN RECEIVER WITH SOME SPOTTING, NICE STRONG ENGRAVING, MARKED P ON WATER TABLE WHICH HAS NICE CASE COLORS AND SHOWS ALMOST NO SIGN OF USE ON THE FACE AROUND THE FIRING PIS, GOOD WOOD WITH NO CRACKS AND SOME HUNTING DINGS, BEAUTIFUL SHINY BORE, 1 OF 11 38″ PARKER 8GA GUNS AND ONE OF 2 MARKED PT 8GA 38″ IN THE PARKER BOOK(CHART ON PAGE 1003), MADE IN 1913. Price: $19,500

FAMARS Castore 12G Sidelock SXS Self Cocking Hammer Gun
FAMARS Castore 12G Sidelock SXS Self Cocking Hammer Gun

FAMARS Castore 12G Sidelock SXS Self Cocking Hammer GunThis is a stunning FAMARS 12G Side-by-Side Shotgun. A true sidelock. Manufactured in the 70s, this gun represents the heyday of the FAMARS organization which was known for its high quality and beautiful craftmanship. Price: $16,500.
– Beautifully browned 28″ barrels choked R(.017) and L(.031). Concave rib. Notice pix showing minor marks on barrels.
– ARMI FAMARS appears in gold on the top rib and on the sidelocks. The gold FAMARS emblem is on the forend.
– Beautiful engraving by Pasolini as inscribed on the gun. Engraving is of the very fine European style but subtle and not overdone. Neptune dragon on top lever with a gold crown.
– Self cocking lower profile hammers. Double triggers.
– Stock dimensions: 15 1/4″ LOP over 1″ leather pad which shows wear. 1 5/8″ DAC and 2 1/2″ DAH. Slight cast on for LH shooter. Weight 7 lbs. 10oz.
– Wood very nicely grained.
– Original maker’s black leather trunk case.

MERKEL, O/U, model 201E PreWar (Mfg 1929), 20 GA
MERKEL, O/U, model 201E PreWar (Mfg 1929), 20 GA

MERKEL, O/U, model 201E PreWar (Mfg 1929), 20 GA: 28 1/2”, F& F, ST, Capped Pistol Grip, 3-piece Forened, Solid Rib, Fine Scroll & Rosette Engraving, Casehardened Receiver, Pad, Dimensions 1 1/2 x 2 3/4 x 14 3/8 with 1/4 cast off, Weight 6#3oz, 2 1/2″ chambers, ID 3846, Near EXC. Condition. Price: $3,900

W W GREENER FH35 12ga Sold by Abrecrombie & Fitch in 1936 w/papers & hang tagThis is a one owner W.W. GREENER MODEL FH35 in 12 gauge with ejectors. Excellent overall condition. 30″ Full Choke barrels with excellent bores. Barrel blue is about 99% original. Case colors are about 50/60%. Beautiful walnut wood. Comes with original bill of sale dated 1936 from Abercrombie & Fitch, New York, And original hang tag.  Price: $3500

W W GREENER FH35 12ga Sold by Abrecrombie & Fitch in 1936 w/papers & hang tag
W W GREENER FH35 12ga Sold by Abrecrombie & Fitch in 1936 w/papers & hang tag

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MANTON 8 BORE EXPRESS- 17 Lbs. 7 Oz. of REAL TURN of the CENTURY SPORT- 24" FULLY RIFLED STEEL Bbls.- EXC PLUS BORES- CASES & ALL LOADING DATA
MANTON 8 BORE EXPRESS- 17 Lbs. 7 Oz. of REAL TURN of the CENTURY SPORT- 24″ FULLY RIFLED STEEL Bbls.- EXC PLUS BORES- CASES & ALL LOADING DATA

MANTON 8 BORE EXPRESS- 17 Lbs. 7 Oz. of REAL TURN of the CENTURY SPORT- 24″ FULLY RIFLED STEEL Bbls.- EXC PLUS BORES- CASES & ALL LOADING DATA#5770, Manton & Co. Gun Makers To H.R.H. The Duke of Edinburgh. K.G. London & Calcutta: A large Jones Action Underlever Back-Action Rebounding Hammer 8 Bore Black Powder Express Shoulder Double Rifle Made with a 3 1/4″ Case and with 24″ Steel fully rifled barrels with a rib extension dolls head, Full length rib with 1 standing & 3 folding platinum lined rear sights at 50 – 100 & 150, Percussion style fences, Full length trigger guard tang to a steel engraved grip cap, Extremely solid and sound wood with nice color & contrast, Shadowline cheekpiece, Sling eyes, Lever release forend, Great stock length at 14 1/2″ LOP over a 7/8″ Silvers pad, Great weight at 17 Lbs. 7 Oz., This is a full rifled set of barrels and the bores remain excellent plus and I would put them at 92-93% from the day they were cut, All the screws are in very good to excellent shape and nearly everyone lays north & south including the 6 inside the forend, It has been professionally refinished from stem to stern with fresh case colors, The whole is cased in a high quality oak & leather trunk with a trade label. This piece is accurate, comes with the proper head stamped cases, bullets, bullet mold, wads and all the loading data will be provided. It is ready to go hunting and a whole bunch of fun shooting. There are 8 bores and then there are other 8 bores but one would have to go a fair distance to come up with a more solid gun than this Manton with barrels that are in excellent condition inside and out plus it has the proper weight and great length of pull. To quote Mr. Geoffrey Boothroyd “Few people would dispute that the most famous name in the history of British gunmaking is that of Manton”. Manton in this era called the 8, 10 & 12 bores as “Big Game” rifles; the 450, 500 & 577’s were called “Express Rifles” and the 400 & 470 as “High Velocity” rifles. Price: $39,000

Francotte 20E 16 Gauge SxS Shotgun, 1926, FACTORY ORIGINAL HIGH CONDITION
Francotte 20E 16 Gauge SxS Shotgun, 1926, FACTORY ORIGINAL HIGH CONDITION

Francotte 20E 16 Gauge SxS Shotgun, 1926, FACTORY ORIGINAL HIGH CONDITION5lb 12oz, Side by Side, Serial # 81889. his Francotte Model 20E is a sideplated box lock gun that is a mid-grade gun from this maker.  Built in 1926 during the time when quality reigned supreme, this little Francotte retains most of its factory original condition with 85% vivid case color, clear sharp deep chiseled engraving, excellent screws, mirror bores, 98% factory blue, beautifully figured European walnut with excellent checkering…just a beautiful little 16 bore.  Weighing just 5 3/4lbs. and balanced just ahead of the hinge pin with 28″ barrels choked LM/IM (.014/.024 restrictions, can be altered to your specs in our shop within 10 days of purchase), this is the epitome of the upland game gun.  The gun is mechanically excellent in all ways, with strong well timed ejectors, crisp double triggers, tight as new on hinge and breech face, this is the way you like to find them.  The Francotte guns are one of the best buys in the fine gun world and known for strength and durability while being quite refined.  This gun has 5 locking points; Greener cross bolt, double underlug bites, sideclips, and through the frame barrel lug…just as good as you can get and being 90 years old and still tight as new, a testament to its design.  Compare this gun to any other offerings for condition and features and you will agree it is priced to sell. Price: $6,450

ENGLISH DOUBLE BARREL HAMMERGUN BY "JOSEPH HARKOM & SON, EDINBURGH
ENGLISH DOUBLE BARREL HAMMERGUN BY “JOSEPH HARKOM & SON, EDINBURGH

ENGLISH DOUBLE BARREL HAMMERGUN BY “JOSEPH HARKOM & SON, EDINBURGH12 gauge, 30″ damascus steel barrels.  Casehardened and engraved back action locks, carved fences, underlever action.  Three position hammers and extractors.  In lovely condition with very crisp engraving with the action and locks showing much of the case colors fading.  The barrels showing  a nice pattern and have been professionally rebrowned.  Beautiful wood and checkering.   Dimensions:   Barrels measure .728″ in both barrels.  Chokes are cylinder bored.  Walls exceed .028″  Weight: 7lbs 1oz.  LOP: 14 5/8″ to a steel buttplate.   Comb:  1 1/2″  Heel: 2″. Price: $3,950

L.C. SMITH WILDFOWL 3" Chambers 12GA 32" bbls
L.C. SMITH WILDFOWL 3″ Chambers 12GA 32″ bbls

L.C. SMITH WILDFOWL 3″ Chambers 12GA 32″ bblsA Classic American Side-by-Side Water Fowl gun. Price: $1800
Manufacturer: HUNTER ARMS
Model: L.C.SMITH WILDFOWL
Serial Number: R191118
Chambers: 3″
Barrels: 32″
Gauge: 12
Stock Comb: 1 1/2IN
Stock Heel: 2 1/2in
Butt Pad: LONDON STYLE
LOP: 14 1/2IN
Weight: 8.25LBS
Manufacture Date: 1939
Choke Left: FULL
Choke Right: FULL
Proof:Nitro: YES

J.P. Sauer & Sohn Suhl SxS 12 Ga Shotgun with straight stock
J.P. Sauer & Sohn Suhl SxS 12 Ga Shotgun with straight stock

J.P. Sauer & Sohn Suhl SxS 12 Ga Shotgun with straight stockPrice: $1,199.99
Caliber: 12 Ga.
Metal Condition: Excellent.
Wood Condition: Excellent Light handling Marks..
Bore Condition: Excellent.
Barrels: 28 Inches. With a Greener Style cross bolt break.
Triggers: Double Triggers.
Stock: Walnut with diamond pattern on grip.
Fore End: Walnut with diamond.
Butt Pad: Factory with embossed logo.
Weight: 7 Pounds

Another great 8 gauge, this one by E & C Sneider, Baltimore, MD …

Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun

Here’s a real rare double. It’s an 8g Sneider made in the 1880s. When this SxS was built, it was one of the finest hammerless shotguns being made in America — and one of the most innovative.

E & C Sneider was founded by  Charles Edward Sneider. He learned his trade in Europe and by 1859 he was in Baltimore working for Thomas Poultney & David B. Trimble. By 1865, Sneider was on his own, working in Baltimore from a shop on 66 S Sharp St. In 1874 his sons  — Charles Lewis & Charles William  — were working with him. Charles William filed the patent that created this shotgun in 1880.

This patent cocked on the fall of the barrels and the locks used coiled springs, which were thought to be more reliable than leaf springs. It also featured a unique trigger safety which used a serrated dial on the toplever to engage a rod pointing up from the top of the action. When this dial was pushed forward, it pressed down on this rod and freed the trigger sear for firing.

Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun

Sneider built several grades of shotguns on this patent. The top grades (like the one shown here), locked up with a sliding bolt which engaged a bite in the rear barrel lump and top extension. They also featured compensating hinge pin which could be adjusted for wear and a unique sliding barrel stop which kept the barrels from wearing on the hinge pin when the gun was opened.

Eight gauges like this were popular up and down the Eastern seaboard. They were far too expensive to buy and be used as “market guns” by commercial hunters. Instead, sportsmen used them to pass shoot ducks, geese & swans.

Here’s more info on this 8g.

C. W. Snieder patent of 1880 for a hammerless shotgun
C. W. Snieder patent of 1880 for a hammerless shotgun

This is a very rare Baltimore made, Antique Sneider 8 gauge shotgun. E &C. Sneider guns where made in Baltimore MD in the 19th century. This one being a high grade 8ga is extremely rare. This gun is well made, heavy and large. The Damascus barrels are 36″ long. They are solid and I see no dents. There is still some Damascus color and swirl. There are some dark spots in the bores, but overall they are clean and shiny. The action is tight. The firing pins look good and overall the gun is in fine functional condition. The engraving is very nice, as you can see. The wood is a high grade and in very good condition. The buttplate is original and nice, but does show a slight gap between the stock. The forend is in fine shape, but it could be a little tighter to the barrels. This is a large and heavy shot gun, weighing 14.6 lbs. A really fine piece for any antique gun collection.

 

Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgunAntique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun
Antique Sneider 8 gauge double barrel sxs shotgun

BOOM! BOOM! An 8 gauge Charles Lancaster SxS shotgun …

LANCASTER 8 BORE UNDERLEVER HAMMER LONDON NITRO PROVED- 13 Lbs. 12 Oz.- 36" DAMASCUS NP Bbls.- 1882- TOTALLY ORIGINAL PIECE
LANCASTER 8 BORE UNDERLEVER HAMMER LONDON NITRO PROVED- 13 Lbs. 12 Oz.- 36″ DAMASCUS NP Bbls.- 1882- TOTALLY ORIGINAL PIECE

Pound for pound, here’s one of the best shotgun deals you’ll find anywhere. This massive 8g Lancaster double barrel weighs an arm-aching 13 lbs. 12 oz. It’s priced at $11,500 — or about $52.27 an ounce. It has 3 1/4″ chambers and it’s nitro-proofed to push a lot of shot: 2 1/4 ounces.

Eight gauges  like this weren’t “market guns”. They were far too expensive for most people to afford, and the richy-riches who bought them used to pass shoot ducks, geese, and swans. In the 19th century, they were popular with hunters in the UK up and down the Eastern Seaboard, but in the 20th century the US Federal Government foolishly outlawed their use on all migratory species.

LANCASTER 8 BORE UNDERLEVER HAMMER LONDON NITRO PROVED- 13 Lbs. 12 Oz.- 36" DAMASCUS NP Bbls.- 1882- TOTALLY ORIGINAL PIECE
LANCASTER 8 BORE UNDERLEVER HAMMER LONDON NITRO PROVED- 13 Lbs. 12 Oz.- 36″ DAMASCUS NP Bbls.- 1882- TOTALLY ORIGINAL PIECE

Today, some states allow you to use on turkeys and other game species while others have outlawed them completely for hunting. You may be able to use them on waterfowl in Canada, and in the UK guys still lug them out to the marshes and flyways.

LANCASTER 8 BORE UNDERLEVER HAMMER LONDON NITRO PROVED- 13 Lbs. 12 Oz.- 36″ DAMASCUS NP Bbls.- 1882- TOTALLY ORIGINAL PIECE: #5156, Charles Lancaster, 151 New Bond St., London, Patent Breech Loader, Choke: A Massive Lancaster Jones Back Action Underlever 8 Bore Rebounding Hammer London Nitro Proved Smoothbore Made in 1882 with Barrels that are 3 Feet Long, .843 .043 & .043″ (Imp.Mod. & Imp.Mod.), 3 1/4″ chambers, Wall thickness on the right barrel at .054″ & .053 on the left, 36″ Damascus Steel London Nitro Proved barrels at 2 1/4 ounce, Rebounding Hammers, Hinged front trigger, Long top tang that goes nearly to the point of the comb, Splinter forend with a lever release forend, Straight hand stock at 14 x 1 5/8 x 2 1/4″ over the original 3/4″ Silvers pad, Cast-off for the right hand, True 8 Bore weight at 13 lbs. 12 oz., Very nice wood with very nice color and contrast, 10% of nice border engraving, The original barrel browning remains at 70%, Original case colors at 25%, The original wood finish is still at 80%, The checkering at 85%, The wood remains excellent and super sound in every respect.

LANCASTER 8 BORE UNDERLEVER HAMMER LONDON NITRO PROVED- 13 Lbs. 12 Oz.- 36" DAMASCUS NP Bbls.- 1882- TOTALLY ORIGINAL PIECE
LANCASTER 8 BORE UNDERLEVER HAMMER LONDON NITRO PROVED- 13 Lbs. 12 Oz.- 36″ DAMASCUS NP Bbls.- 1882- TOTALLY ORIGINAL PIECE

The barrels are excellent inside and out without a pit to be had, The barrels ring with a very pronounced chime. It is cased in the original trunk with the original trade label. This is a very nice serious Big Bore piece that has London nitro proof barrels. It will take you shooting well into the 21st century. Here is the embodiment of 1882 Lancaster Quality; excellent bores, strong wood with nice figure, 8 bore weight, nitro proof barrels and it comes to the hand with ease even with this size and weight plus it balances very well. All these city-light gun writers that try to convince the shooting public that we all need shot barrels that are 3 feet long; here is there piece to grind clay targets into dust. We are working on a source for proper 8 bore loads that already have been used in this nitro proved piece that patterns well at 40 yards with either #5 or 6 shot. Fun stuff here. Price: $11,500

The Outlaw: An 8 gauge Parker PH…

8 gauge Parker PH Side-by-Side shotgun
8 gauge Parker PH Side-by-Side shotgun

There are two types of side-by-side shotguns that always thrill guys: The small ones (28s & .410s) and the big ones–like the eight gauge Parker you see here.

Eight gauges use to be used to pass shoot ducks, geese, and swans, and in the 19th century they were popular with shooters hunting along the big flyways up and down the Eastern Seaboard. In the 20th century, they fell out of favor and were eventually outlawed by the Federal Government for use on all migratory species. Today, some states allow you to use on other game species (like turkeys), while others have completely outlawed their use for hunting. Oh well.

Of all the major American makers, Parker made the most 8s – around 246 in all.  According to the book The Parker Story, the first one was #4360, a D-grade underlever made in 1870s, and the last one was #174065, a DH made around 1916 with 36″ barrels. Lefever made some 8s, too, and so did L.C. Smith, but in small numbers – Lefever may have turned out 40 or so (including this nice E grade) and L.C. Smith made around 35 (including this one).

8 gauge Parker PH Side-by-Side shotgun: Ser. No. 152883. 36″ Twist barrels on a No. 6 frame. Bores are mint- lots of finish- wt.- 13 lbs. 10 ozs. A great hard to find Parker in this condition.

8 gauge Parker PH Side-by-Side shotgun
8 gauge Parker PH Side-by-Side shotgun
8 gauge Parker PH Side-by-Side shotgun
8 gauge Parker PH Side-by-Side shotgun

Auction alert: W & C Scott 8 gauge, Masquelier 28 gauge, Westley Richards 12 gauge and more…

W & C Scott & Son 8 bore Percussion Double Shotgun
W & C Scott & Son 8 bore Percussion Double Shotgun

Lot 69: Impressive W. & C. Scott & Son 8 bore Percussion Double Shotgun: 33″ damascus barrels with bright gray bores showing some pitting. The barrels display 80% of a smooth brown and silver pattern, more pronounced under the forestock, with increasing fading toward the muzzles. The rib is marked “London Fine Twist” and crisp proof marks are present under the forestock. The plain locks are marked with the maker’s name on both sides and exhibit 70% original case color with scattered specks of oxidation. The hammers show 30% color turning brown and the triggerguard with its extended front finial displays a brown and pewter patina. The straight grip stock rates very good exhibiting scattered scratches and minor dings over a darkened and dull original finish and displaying a well checkered grip which remains robust although with some soiling. There is a steel buttplate present turning brown providing a length of 14 3/8″ and a German silver monogram oval is inlaid into the toeline. In addition, the forestock is equipped with double cross pins mounted in German silver escutcheons. Four ramrod thimbles are mounted to the barrel, two under the forestock which facilitate the cross pins, holding what appears to be the original ebony ramrod with brass ram. This big bore shotgun was built in the late 1860’s, and considering that it was made for rough usage waterfowl hunting, remains in remarkable condition. Estimate: $1,000 – $1,500

J. P. Sauer Prussian 20 gauge Boxlock Double Shotgun
J. P. Sauer Prussian 20 gauge Boxlock Double Shotgun

Lot 131: J. P. Sauer Prussian 20 gauge Boxlock Double Shotgun: Serial #143338, 20 ga., 26″ matted rib Krupp steel barrels choked modified and improved modified with bright very good to excellent bores showing some very faint scattered pitting. The barrels retain 85 to 90% blue showing a few scattered rub marks and scratches with fading around the muzzles and breeches. The frame is embellished with some flourishes of scroll engraving and borders and exhibits 20% case color in protected areas with the remaining surfaces turning to bright pewter with brown highlights. The triggerguard is mottled silver although the top lever retains 70% blue. The round knob pistolgrip stock and splinter forearm rate good to very good exhibiting scattered minor dings and scratches, showing a small repaired chip in the toe, a minute hairline crack behind the top tang, and tiny chips in the left front edge of the forearm all over a drying oil finish. Checkering is well defined although soiled, the forearm pattern displaying a few impact marks. The forearm has a lever release showing some remaining blue and the buttstock has an older Jostam recoil pad fitted providing a length of 14 3/8″ and drops of 1 5/8″ at the comb, 2 3/4″ at the heel, and no cast and it weighs 5 lbs. 8 ozs. There is a German silver monogram oval mounted in the toeline and the gun features double triggers, extractors, and an automatic safety. This is a quality shotgun probably manufactured around WWI. The action is tight and functions fine. A great little bird gun. Estimate: $1,200 – $1,800

Masquelier Model 120 28 gauge Boxlock Double Shotgun
Masquelier Model 120 28 gauge Boxlock Double Shotgun

Lot 132: Masquelier Model 120 28 gauge Boxlock Double Shotgun: Serial #60287, 28 ga., 31 3/4″ matted rib barrels choked modified and full with bright excellent bores showing one small spot of pinprick pitting just ahead of the left chamber. The barrels retain 97% blue displaying some fading around the muzzles and a couple of tiny oxidation specks under the forearm. Both barrels are marked with the maker’s name and city (Liege) and are border engraved at the breech. The frame is lightly embellished with engraved borders around the pins and along the bolsters and exhibits 95% vibrant case color with some fading along the edges and under the blued top lever. The triggerguard retains about 60% blue showing even wear and a few scratches. The round knob pistolgrip stock and splinter forearm rate very good to excellent displaying a few scratches and small dings over a strong varnish showing a little crazing. Checkering is done in a simple point pattern and remains robust but lightly soiled. The forearm has a push button release with case colored furniture and there is a thin grooved horn buttplate installed having a few dings providing a length of 15″ with drops of 1 3/8″ at the comb, 2 3/8″ at the heel and 1/4″ cast off. Sling swivels are affixed to the toeline of the stock and soldered to the under side of the barrels and the gun features double triggers, extractors, automatic safety, Greener cross bolt, and sideclips. Included is a European type leather sling and a Masquelier catalog. This is a very unusual shotgun in little used condition, obviously made for a large person and not one of those puny super light wonders which are hard to shoot. It would make an awesome dove or clays gun. Estimate: $1,000 – $1,500

Westley Richards 12 Gauge Special Double Trap Double Ejectorgun
Westley Richards 12 Gauge Special Double Trap Double Ejectorgun

Lot 134: Westley Richards 12 Gauge Special Double Trap Double Ejectorgun: Serial #T11626, 12 ga., 28″ ventilated rib barrels choked full and full with bright excellent bores. The barrels retain 90% blue showing some light scratches, rub marks under the forearm and patches of silver at the muzzle. The barrels are marked “Westley Richards” on the right tube and “London” on the left and the frame is embellished with light scroll engraving and stylized borders having banners on both sides with the maker’s name. It exhibits 80% case color with fading on the edges and the bottom plate retains about 90% blue with some staining on the lower left side. About 70% blue shows on the triggerguard, the edges and tang turning silver. The round knob pistolgrip stock rates very good to excellent displaying a few light handling marks and one small chip behind the top tang over a smooth rubbed oil finish. The beavertail forearm shows a few more marks and a hairline crack to the left back edge and one to the right front edge, both appearing stable, over the same smooth oil finish. Checkering is well executed in the English flat top style exhibiting light wear and impact marks with some soiling. There are nicely carved dropper points behind the stock shields and a gold monogram oval is inlaid into the toeline with the letters “D.W.V.” inscribed upon it in block letters. A Pachmayr rubber recoil pad has been fitted providing a length of 14″ with drops of 1 1/2″ at the comb, 2″ at the heel, and 1/4″ cast off. The gun is equipped with a Miller single non selective trigger, ejectors, and a non automatic safety. The action is tight and the mechanism functions well. A contemporary canvas trunk case is included with paper maker’s trade label, model specifications, and a Royal warrant all affixed to the inside of the lid. Also included are numerous documents relating to the lineage of the gun from Westley Richards to Abercrombie & Fitch to William Earle Umstattd, president of the Timkin Roller Bearing Company. Within this mix of information is an Authentication Certificate from Westley Richards along with a copy of the factory ledger, a Certificate of Inventory & Disposition and copy of the company inventory of 1951 from Griffin & Howe, and a brief family history of Mr. Umstattd. In addition, other miscellaneous papers including company letters and information are included. All in all, an interesting yet very practical well made shotgun for field, clays, or live pigeons. Estimate: $3,500 – $5,000

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Holland & Holland Hammer Double Rifle, 8 gauge
Holland & Holland Hammer Double Rifle, 8 gauge

Holland & Holland Hammer Double Rifle, 8 gauge: 26″ smooth bore damascus barrels with perfect bores and single leaf folding express sights. Stalking safeties on hammers. Excellent condition. Price: $25,000.00

1916 Ansley H. Fox XE Grade 12ga:  Fox XE Grade, 1916 Philadelphia, PA. This gun is in +95% Condition. 2 5/8″ chambers, 28″ barrels, Full & Mod, 13 3/4″ LOP, 2 3/4″ D@H, 6lbs, 13oz. Price: $9,995.00

16 gauge Winchester Model 21 Double Barrel Shotgun
16 gauge Winchester Model 21 Double Barrel Shotgun

Winchester Model 21 16ga 28in M/F as new In the box: A collectors dream  this gun was made in 1954 still has original cosmoline on it  has the box and is 100% correct to the Cody Letter  28in m/f   slight handling marks on wood  blue is mint  Price: $9,900.00

BELGIUM GUILD GUN -20 GAUGE- SIDEPLATED BOXLOCK -EJECTORS – 26″ BLS: SKT./IC – STRAIGHT HAND STOCK WITH WOOD BUTTPLATE – LOP 14 1/16″ – DROP 1 3/8″ X2″ – DOUBLE TRIGGERS – WT. 5 LBS. 6 OZS. – Price: $3,800.

16 gauge Parker Double Barrel VH grade shotgun, O frame
16 gauge Parker Double Barrel VH grade shotgun, O frame

FABULOUS 0 FRAME 16GA PARKER WITH VULCAN BARRELS: ALL ORIGINAL 0 FRAME VH 16GA WITH VULCAN STEEL BARRELS — 28″ FULL/FULL — PERFECT ORIGINAL SCREWS — 35% ORIGINAL COLOR THAT IS VIBRANT IN AREAS — 90%++++ ORIGINAL BLUE — SOO HARD TO FIND STEEL BARREL 0 FRAME 16’S — GUN HAS EXCELLENT ORIGINAL VARNISH AND CHECKERING. 14 1/2  1 1/2 X  2 1/2 TO ORIGINAL SILVERS PAD. Price: $3,750.00

 

An rare 8 gauge by Alexander McComas…

Alexander McComas, Gunmaker, Case Label
Alexander McComas, Gunmaker, Case Label

The Chesapeake Bay used to be one of the greatest places in the world to hunt waterfowl. Massive flocks of ducks, geese, and swans used to settle on its waters every fall, and as the birds passed through, hunters were waiting. These hunters used all sorts of firearms, and the more prosperous ones used fancy 8 gauges like the toplever, breechloading Alexander McComas you see here.

8 gauge Alexander McComas Toplever Double Barrel Shotgun
8 gauge Alexander McComas Toplever Double Barrel Shotgun

Alexander McComas was born on February 27, 1821 and he opened a shop on July 1843, at 51 South Calvert Street, Baltimore, MD. His first firearms were percussion guns, especially big bores for the local waterfowlers. By the time the breechloading era took over in the 1860s, McComas was well known  up and down the eastern seaboard for his high quality firearms.

8 gauge Alexander McComas Toplever Double Barrel Shotgun
8 gauge Alexander McComas Toplever Double Barrel Shotgun

He was especially famous for his duck guns, and on these shotguns McComas preferred to use Jones-patent underlever actions. But as toplever actions started to appear in the 1870s, some shooters wanted them on their new duck guns. To meet this new market, McComas did what every smart business person does: He made what his customers wanted.

The toplever 8 gauge that you see here was probably “made” by Alexander McComas in the 1880s. I say “made” because I’m not sure how much of this shotgun was actually made in America. To my eye, a lot of this side-by-side looks German. I wonder if McComas ordered it complete from Europe, or sourced the barrels and action from the continent and then finished the shotgun in Maryland.

8 gauge Alexander McComas Toplever Double Barrel Shotgun
8 gauge Alexander McComas Toplever Double Barrel Shotgun

This kind of outsourcing was very popular in America at the time and a lot of the early side-by-side shotguns being “made” over here were actually built in England and throughout Europe.

Wow – a modern 8 gauge side by side…

Modern 8 gauge side by side, Made in Italy, 39" bbls
Modern 8 gauge side by side, Made in Italy, 39″ bbls

Here’s a side-by-side shotgun that won’t be around for long: an Italian 8 Gauge SxS, Made in 1962.

In 1918, the US Federal Government made it illegal for anyone to use an eight gauge shotgun to hunt waterfowl and other federally-listed migratory game birds. Later, many states restricted hunting shotguns to 10 gauge and smaller.

Modern 8 gauge side by side, Made in Italy, 39" bbls
Modern 8 gauge side by side, Made in Italy, 39″ bbls

Of course, these laws didn’t apply in Europe, and it’s still legal in many areas there to hunt ducks, geese, and other waterfowl with the really big bores.

This 8-gauge shotgun was made for that kind of shooting. Judging by the looks of it, it looks like wasn’t used much at all. Here are the specs on it:

Price: $1,999.99
Manufacturer: 1962
Caliber: 8 Gauge.
Chambers: Side X Side.

Modern 8 gauge side by side, Made in Italy, 39" bbls
Modern 8 gauge side by side, Made in Italy, 39″ bbls

Metal Condition: Strong blue and case color.
Wood Condition: Excellent with crazing and flaking in the finish.
Bore Condition: Bright and shiny.
Barrels: 39+” Blue Acier steel.
Triggers: Double.
Stock: Mid grade walnut with a checkered pistol grip.
Fore End: Semi splinter checkered walnut.
Butt Pad: Red rubber vent butt pad.
Weight: 13 Lbs 12 Oz.

The big BOOM – 4 gauge and 8 gauge shotguns at auction…

Fredrick T. Baker 4 Gauge Shotgun
Fredrick T. Baker 4 Gauge Shotgun

Really big bore shotguns (2, 4 & 8 gauges) used to be popular in the United States–until they were banned in 1918. Unlike market guns, ones like these were made to pass shoot big birds like geese and swans. Today, some states allow you to use them on turkeys and pests like crows and coyotes. Other states have completely banned them for hunting.

Fredrick T. Baker, 4 ga. single barrel shotgun

Fredrick Baker made guns in and around London from 1857-1913. While I’ve seen other guns bearing his name, this is the first hammerless 4 gauge by him I’ve ever seen. In fact, it’s the first hammerless 4 gauge I ever seen. It looks like it’s in excellent shape. The sleeved/nitro proofed barrels and ammo make it an extremely rare, and desirable, package. I bet it will go for a lot of money.

Wm. Sumners 8 gauge shotgun
Wm. Sumners 8 gauge shotgun

Wm. Sumner 8 gauge single barrel shotgun

William Sumner was a gunmaker in Liverpool, England, from  about 1858 to 1890. Eight gauges like this one are the most common ones you see. They’re usually the most affordable, too. This gun was probably made around 1880. With that 42″ barrel, you could probably hold it up and let the birds run into it.

Couple cool double barrels: a W & C Scott & a J.D. Dougall…

Check ’em out. The first one is a 12g W.&C. Scott Premier. It’s a real early hammerless Premier side by side. According to the patent use number, it’s the 67th gun built on that action.

The second gun is an 8 gauge J.D. Dougall double barrel. Nice shotgun, but it needs work.

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