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Flli Piotti 20 gauge sidelock with fabulous engraving
Flli Piotti 20 gauge sidelock with fabulous engraving

Flli Piotti 20 gauge sidelock with fabulous engraving: This gun was imported to America by our friends at William Larkin & Moore. They record this as a KING 1 model. This little 20 is of the highest quality. While it is known that I prefer pre WWII guns I find as I handle this gun it is hard to put down. Built like a Swiss watch and feels so wonderful between the hands. Excellent stock work and metal work I cannot fault but only find praise. Serial Number: 7684. Ejectors: Yes. Barrels: 26″,2 3/4″. Stock Comb: 1 1/2″. Stock Heel: 2 1/8″. Stock Cast: 1/8″. LOP: 14 3/4″ over Leather. Weight: 5 lbs. 11 oz. Choke Left: 018 Mod. Right: 008 IC. Minimum Wall Thickness Left: .029, Right: .034 Price: $22,000

A.H.FOX XE 12 GAUGE SxS SHOTGUN: #24XXX 32″ 005 AND 013 2 3/4 DOUBLE TRIGGER EJECTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP EXCELLENT ORIGINAL CONDITION WITH LOTS OF ORIGINAL CASE COLORS 6LBS 15 OZ X 2 3/4 X 1 1/2 X 14 1/2 TO ORIGINAL HAWKINS PAD. Price: $16,500

A.H.FOX XE 12 GAUGE SxS SHOTGUN:
A.H.FOX XE 12 GAUGE SxS SHOTGUN:
Connecticut Shotgun Mfg. A-10 American 20 GA. O/U Sidelock Shotgun:
Connecticut Shotgun Mfg. A-10 American 20 GA. O/U Sidelock Shotgun:

Connecticut Shotgun Mfg. A-10 American 20 GA. O/U Sidelock Shotgun: Chambers: 2 3/4″. Metal Condition: Excellent. Wood Condition: Very Good, a few small impressions on the stock. Bore Condition: Bright and Shiny. Barrels:28″. Triggers:4 Lbs. Stock:Straight, checkered. Stock Dimensions: LOP 14 1/2″. Weight:6 Lbs 4 Ozs. Sights:Vented rib, front red bead. Chokes:Interchangeable. Extras:Hard case, extra chokes, papers. Price: $7,399.99

Winchester M21 16 gauge SXS, Double Triggers, Ejectors: Nice old 16 gauge M21 hunting gun, DT Ejector, splinter forend, good dimensions, great chokes, light weight. Originally mod/full first barrel opened to IC, bores 10 and 28 thou. 26″ barrels. Nice wood 1 1/2″ DAC, 2 1/2″ DAH, 14″ LOP from front trigger. Believe blue to be original. Thinning on bottom of receiver. I suspect an extra coat of varnish on wood which has better than average grain — a little fiddle back. A few hunting knocks here and there — not bad. Weight 6 lb 10 oz; light for a 16 gauge M21. SN 6000 (Yeah 6K even). Price: $7,000.

Winchester M21 16 gauge SXS, Double Triggers, Ejectors
Winchester M21 16 gauge SXS, Double Triggers, Ejectors
Beretta BL4 Over-Under 20GA & 28GA factory two barrel set
Beretta BL4 Over-Under 20GA & 28GA factory two barrel set

Beretta BL4 Over-Under 20GA & 28GA factory two barrel set: 20GA has 28″ barrels M&F. 28GA has 26″ barrels IC&M. Mint condition, 97% blue barrels and action. Straight grip single select trigger ejectors. Weight: 6lb with 20GA, 6lb 1 oz with 28GA. LOP 14 3/8″ x 14 7/8″ to the toe. Dimensions: 1 3/8 x 2 3/8. Both barrels have same serial number. Price: $2,950

That 20g Fox XE brought how much? Plus, a pair of Wilkes does real well…

1921 A.H. Fox 20 gauge XE double barrel shotgun
1921 A.H. Fox 20 gauge XE double barrel shotgun

It’s confirmed: Fox collectors are nuts. The auction for this 20g A.H. Fox XE ended Monday, and the final price was $24,002. That’s a lot for a gun with almost no original color-case hardening and a stubby stock. At least its provenance is sound. That must be what drove the price so high.

For the same money,  the winning bidder could have bought this 20 gauge Westley Richards droplock. Much nicer gun, but it doesn’t come with as nice a story.

1921 A.H. Fox 20 gauge XE double barrel shotgun: According to J.T. Callahan, the Fox records indicate that this gun, SN 201509, a 20 gauge XE, was shipped on August 7, 1921 from Philadelphia to Abercrombie & Fitch of NYC, the original consignee. The gun was made with 26” barrels, choked IC (r) and M (l) with a LOP of 13 ½” and DOH of 2 5/8”. Weight, 5 lbs., 12 oz. — FINAL HAMMER: $24,002

Over in Scotland, Gavin Gardiner held his annual Gleneagles Sale on the same day (Monday). This pair of 12g sidelock Wilkes shotguns did extremely well – pricey, but possibly worth it.

JOHN WILKES PAIR OF KELL-ENGRAVED 12-BORE SIDELOCK EJECTOR GUNS, NOS. 13802/3
JOHN WILKES PAIR OF KELL-ENGRAVED 12-BORE SIDELOCK EJECTOR GUNS, NOS. 13802/3

JOHN WILKES A MAGNIFICENT PAIR OF KELL-ENGRAVED 12-BORE SIDELOCK EJECTOR GUNS, NOS. 13802/3: 28-inch barrels with 2 1/2-inch chambers, about 1/4 and 3/4 choke borings, matted top ribs, the frames, locks and gold numbered top levers with best bouquet and scroll engraving and retaining virtually all of their original hardening colour, the inside of the fore-end irons with further bouquet and scroll engraving, gold washed lockwork, rolled edge trigger guards, 14 1/2-inch highly figured exhibition quality stocks, inlaid in gold with the entwined initials “W.D.”, 6lb. 9oz., nitro proof, in their maker’s presentation case with engraved fittings and canvas outer cover. ESTIMATE: £25000-35000 SALE PRICE: £53,900

The maker confirms that the guns were completed on 24th August 1935 for W. W. Dowding. The guns were engraved by Harry Kell with special flower and scroll work and the guns remain as originally built. The original cost was £220 with the case costing £13 15s and the matching outer cover a further £5 12s 6d.

W. W. Dowding

William W. Dowding, for whom these guns were made, was one of the Wilkes’ largest retail customers in the 1930s. He started to buy guns from them in 1931 and in the course of the next five years ordered a total of ten new guns as well as buying others and a wide variety of shooting requisites. The story passed down the family was that in 1933 Dowding challenged Jack Wilkes to make for him a pair of guns that were on a par with the best the London trade could offer. Guns 13802/3 were Jack’s response to that challenge. Many years later his sons viewed this pair of guns as his masterpiece.

To make them, Wilkes went to many of the best outworkers in the the London trade. George Lane and Bolter normally worked for Woodward; Mealey at the time was on Wilkes’ payroll, but had worked for Grant & Lang and several others in a very long career; and Willie Lane was shortly to join Grant & Lang’s payroll. The engraver Harry Kell is probably the only outworker now widely known.

Insane. Check out the bidding for this 20g A.H. Fox XE shotgun…

1921 A.H. Fox 20 gauge XE double barrel shotgun
1921 A.H. Fox 20 gauge XE double barrel shotgun

I’m always amazed by what folks will pay for smallbore American shotguns. Check out this 20g Fox XE to see what I mean. This is a nice, original gun, and someone is going to pay dearly for it. It’s on Gunbroker.comn now and the listing end on Monday, 8/25/2014, @ 9:00:00 AM ET. So if you want to get in on the action, bid now.

The XE was one of Fox’s upp-grade guns. I don’t know how many they made in 20 gauge, but the number is certainly real low.

Here’s more about this 20g from the seller:

1921 A.H. Fox 20 gauge XE double barrel shotgun: According to J.T. Callahan, the Fox records indicate that this gun, SN 201509, a 20 gauge XE, was shipped on August 7, 1921 from Philadelphia to Abercrombie & Fitch of NYC, the original consignee. The gun was made with 26” barrels, choked IC (r) and M (l) with a LOP of 13 ½” and DOH of 2 5/8”. Weight, 5 lbs., 12 oz.

1921 A.H. Fox 20 gauge XE double barrel shotgun
1921 A.H. Fox 20 gauge XE double barrel shotgun

Factory notes indicate: “Full pistol grip, stock 13 ½” to center, 13 ¼” at toe, short toe for woman’s hand, Lyman sights, Silvers recoil pad.” It appears to be in original condition with in use wear. Recoil pad may have been replaced at some point in time. Bores are bright with no pitting. I don’t have barrel minimum thickness measurements, but gun was determined to be within specification by Jim Kelly of Darlington Gun Works. It has normal in use hunting wear and dings. The wood and checkering are sound. One trigger is lighter in pull than the other.

1921 A.H. Fox 20 gauge XE double barrel shotgun
1921 A.H. Fox 20 gauge XE double barrel shotgun

The shotgun has an engraved metal plate on the stock with the original owner’s name, H. N. Torrey. In 1924, Dr. Henry Norton Torrey and his wife, Nell Ford Torrey, of Detroit, Michigan, purchased Ossabaw Island, a 26,000 acre barrier island on Georgia’s coast near Savannah. The family owned the island until 1978 when the State of Georgia assumed ownership. Dr. Torrey was an avid outdoorsman, who hunted and fished around the world. Dr. Torrey died in 1945. The gun has been in the family since purchased by Dr. Torrey and has remained until recently on Ossabaw Island in the possession of Dr. Torrey’s daughter who lives on the Island.

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Holland & Holland Hammer Double Rifle, 8 gauge
Holland & Holland Hammer Double Rifle, 8 gauge

Holland & Holland Hammer Double Rifle, 8 gauge: 26″ smooth bore damascus barrels with perfect bores and single leaf folding express sights. Stalking safeties on hammers. Excellent condition. Price: $25,000.00

1916 Ansley H. Fox XE Grade 12ga:  Fox XE Grade, 1916 Philadelphia, PA. This gun is in +95% Condition. 2 5/8″ chambers, 28″ barrels, Full & Mod, 13 3/4″ LOP, 2 3/4″ D@H, 6lbs, 13oz. Price: $9,995.00

16 gauge Winchester Model 21 Double Barrel Shotgun
16 gauge Winchester Model 21 Double Barrel Shotgun

Winchester Model 21 16ga 28in M/F as new In the box: A collectors dream  this gun was made in 1954 still has original cosmoline on it  has the box and is 100% correct to the Cody Letter  28in m/f   slight handling marks on wood  blue is mint  Price: $9,900.00

BELGIUM GUILD GUN -20 GAUGE- SIDEPLATED BOXLOCK -EJECTORS – 26″ BLS: SKT./IC – STRAIGHT HAND STOCK WITH WOOD BUTTPLATE – LOP 14 1/16″ – DROP 1 3/8″ X2″ – DOUBLE TRIGGERS – WT. 5 LBS. 6 OZS. – Price: $3,800.

16 gauge Parker Double Barrel VH grade shotgun, O frame
16 gauge Parker Double Barrel VH grade shotgun, O frame

FABULOUS 0 FRAME 16GA PARKER WITH VULCAN BARRELS: ALL ORIGINAL 0 FRAME VH 16GA WITH VULCAN STEEL BARRELS — 28″ FULL/FULL — PERFECT ORIGINAL SCREWS — 35% ORIGINAL COLOR THAT IS VIBRANT IN AREAS — 90%++++ ORIGINAL BLUE — SOO HARD TO FIND STEEL BARREL 0 FRAME 16’S — GUN HAS EXCELLENT ORIGINAL VARNISH AND CHECKERING. 14 1/2  1 1/2 X  2 1/2 TO ORIGINAL SILVERS PAD. Price: $3,750.00

 

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Holland & Holland .500BPE Double Rifle
Holland & Holland .500BPE Double Rifle

HOLLAND & HOLLAND DOUBLE HAMMER RIFLE .500 3 1/4″: 27″ steel barrels, ramp front sight with folding night sight. Two leaf rear express sight. Lightly engraved back action locks and rebounding hammers. Stock dimensions LOP: 14 1/2″ Comb: 1 1/2″ Heel: 2 1/4″ Weight: 9lbs 2oz. Super untouched original barrel blue. The action and locks are lightly engraved and retain areas of casehardening with the remainder fading to a pleasing mottled gray. Mint bores and tight action. Beautiful wood and checkering. Left side of the receiver engraved “CHARGE 5 DRAMS, CASE 3 1/4 INCHES”. Price: 12,500

12 gauge A.H. Fox XE grade Double Barrel Shotgun
12 gauge A.H. Fox XE grade Double Barrel Shotgun

1916 Ansley H. Fox XE Grade 12ga: Serial # 23670, Made in 1916, Philadelphia, PA. This gun is in +95% Condition. Hand Engraving. This gun is a fine piece of American craftsmanship. This gun has been shot very little. 2 5/8” chambers, 28” bbls, Full & Mod, Chromox steel, #4 weight, 13 ¾” X 1 5/8” x 2 ¾”, 6lbs 13oz. Price: $11,995.00

12 gauge Churchill Double Barrel. Side-by-Side Shotgun
12 gauge Churchill Double Barrel. Side-by-Side Shotgun

CHURCHILL REGAL XXV ORIGINAL CASE: 12g Boxlock Ejectors: Nice original cased Churchill XXV Regal. 25” bbls. This Churchill is in very good condition and with a 59xx serial number is an early 30’s gun. Nice dimensions on a straight grip DAC 1 ½ X DAH 2 ¼ X LOP 14 to end of pad, with a 5/8 cast off for a right handed shooter. 6lbs. Priced to sell $3975.00.

16 gauge D.M. Lefever, #7 Grade, Double Barrel Shotgun
16 gauge D.M. Lefever, #7 Grade, Double Barrel Shotgun

DM LEFEVER #7 GRADE 16 GAUGE: 28″ MOD AND FULL 2 3/4 SINGLE SELECT TRIIGGER EJECTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP EXCELLENT CONDITION THE WOOD IS PROFESSIONALLY REFINISHED 6LB 6 OZ X 2 1/2 X 1 3/4 X 13 FROM REAR SINGLE TRIGGER. Price: $7,500.00

16 gauge Darne Halifax Double Barrel Shotgun
16 gauge Darne Halifax Double Barrel Shotgun

Darne Halifax 16 Gauge: Retains most of the case color on the action with blue in similar condition. 25 ½” bbls, 2 ½” chambers, double triggers, straight stock, 14 1/8″ LOP. 1 3/4″ DAC. 2 5/8″ DAH. 1/4″ cast on (for left-handed shooter), Price: $1,499.99

 

 

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1910 Ansley H. Fox B Grade 12ga

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Price: $3,995.00

 

1916 Ansley H. Fox XE Grade 12gaPrice: $11,995.00

 

PARKER DHE 20 GAUGE STRAIGHT GRIP BEAVERTAIL FOREND 30″ BARRELS

Price: $12,950.00

 

L.C. Smith Fwt. Specialty Grade 12, SST

Price: $3795.00

 

Beretta 626E 12 GA – great looking gun for CHEAP money

Price: $1,250.00

 

BROWNING SUPERPOSED 20 GA 

Barrel Length: 28”

Price: $3,650.00

 

WESTLEY RICHARDS 20- 28″ EJECT Bbls- 15 1/8″ LOP

Price: $6,500.00

 

Cogswell & Harrison Boxlock Ejector, 20 bore

Price: $2,750.00

 

W & C Scott & Son Monte Carlo B Sidelock Pigeon Gun 12 Bore

Price: $4,950.00

20 gauge A.H. Fox XE shotgun: Really a good investment?…

20g Fox XE double barrel shotgun
20g Fox XE double barrel shotgun

“Investment” is a word that comes up a lot in the gun circles, as in “..right now, shotguns like this are excellent investments.” Statements like this make me think “maybe”.

To see what I mean, let’s consider this 20 gauge A.H. Fox XE side by side. It sold a couple weekends ago at Rock Island Auctions for $20,700. This same gun changed hands back in 2008 at Julia’s spring firearms auction for $14,950. (BTW: here are some better pics of it: 20g Fox XE double barrel shotgun, spring 2008).

So here were have a A.H. Fox 20 gauge XE selling twice in 4 years. Was the gun a good “investment”. Lets run some numbers and see.

First, we need to adjust the sale price. Both auctioneers are include a 15% buyer’s premium in the prices they show. We need to take this out to get the real sales prices: $18,000 in 2008 and $13,000 in 2012. This cuts the 4-year gain down to $5000. Still not bad.

Next, lets consider the seller’s premium. This fee is negotiable and if you bring the right stuff to an auctioneer, it can fall to zero. To keep things simple, we’ll just assume that the seller rung all the right bells and paid 0%.

Finally, there are the miscellaneous fees and taxes. Shipping the gun back and forth both times probably cost the seller several hundred dollars. We’ll use $250. Tax wise, since the seller had the gun for over a year, the gains will be dinged  28% – if the seller pays paid them. Most gun auctions don’t process 1099s on sales, so paying capital gains on stuff is totally up to the consignor. Of course, Uncle Sam says it’s something they must do.

This final bit of figuring knocks the gains down to $4750 without taxes and $3420 with them. So what kind of return is this over 4 years? If my math is right (and it may not be), the seller’s looking at 8.0% and 6%. That’s not bad. In this case, I would say that this gun was a decent place to stash some money for a few years.

What do you think?

BTW: please let me know if my calculations are wrong. I’m a writer, not an accountant or financial analyst.

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