Back in the day, L.C. Smith was one of America’s most successful gunmakers. According to this timeline from the L.C. Smith Collector’s Club, the first “L.C. Smith” SxS shotguns appeared in 1884. The company went out of business in 1950. The name was revived in 1969 and retired for good in 1971. In that time, LC Smith built 250,000+ guns in several configurations and grades (learn more about them here).
The 16g you see here is a Field grade, the most basic SxS Smith offered from 1912-1950.
The Field-grade Smiths came in 10g, 12g, 16g, 20g, and .410. Regular and Featherweight (FW) models were offered. LC Smith built around 199,384 of them — 38,678 in 16-gauge alone.
If you collect big bore, waterfowling shotguns, or want to start, you’re in luck: Two of finest you’ll ever find are coming up in James D. Julia’s April, 2017, auction. In their day, big bores like these were far too expensive to be used by commercial hunters as “market guns.”
Instead, they were bought by well-off sportsmen and used to pass shoot ducks, geese and even swans. From what I’ve read, as hunting pressure along the Eastern flyways increased, waterfowl became warier (and scarcer). To bring them down, hunters needed guns that could reach out further. With their big loads and heavy charges, big bores were able to do this.
A monstrous & fabulous E.M. Reilly 4 gauge Side-by-Side hammer shotgun. I’ve had this double in my hands, and it’s incredible. To help it resist corrosion, it was nickel-plated and it features no engraving. It was probably made in England in the 1870s, and it remains in incredible — and to my eye — all original condition. Interestingly, it has stalking safeties on it – a feature normally reserved for hammer rifles.
An L.C. Smith 8 gauge Quality No. 2 Side-by-Side hammerless shotgun. I’m pretty sure this shotgun popped up on the market a few years ago. If it’s the same gun, it’s in incredible original condition and pretty much new. L.C. Smith probably made fewer than 50 eight gauges. This one has to be the finest one in existence. The Quality No. 2 was L.C. Smith’s lower middle grade. The company built them from 1890-1914 and made 12,483 total. Of those, just 38 were 8 gauges.
James Purdey 10 Bore SxS Hammer Gun: Rare light weight (8 pound) hammer game gun. Outstanding all original condition with very nice wood and good amount of case cloring remaining. Excellent 31 inch fine damascus barrels.Rare side clips and top lever. Very nice engraving and checkering.Proper 2&5/8 inch chambers with open chokes. Throws outstanding patterns and feels like a 12 bore. Excellent shootable dimensions and 14.5 inch LOP. Very little lifetime use and overall excellent condition. Price:$9500
Chambers: 2 3/4″
Metal Condition: Some Bluing Loss
Wood Condition: Well Used in Good Condition
Bore Condition: Nice and Shiny
Triggers: Single Selective
Stock: Checkered Pistol Grip
14 1/8″ LOP
Fore End: Checkered Splinter
Butt Pad: Checkered Butt Plate
Weight: 6 Lbs 12 Oz.
Sights: Front Bead
Chokes: IC and MOD
Twelve-gauge, L.C. Smith No. 2s are not hard guns find– unless you’re looking for an example with the kind of condition you see here. Hunter Arms made 10,815 of them from 1890-1914, and according to the L.C. Smith Collector’s site, they turned out the one you see here in 1899.
Yeah, 1899. That’s before Ford introduced it’s first car and before most people in the US had electricity.
No. 2s weren’t fancy guns, and most of the one you see today are pretty banged up. This one looks like it has barely been used, and except for the pad and maybe a light refinish to the back of the buttstock, I’m thinking it’s all original. So take a long look at it, because doing so is almost like taking a trip back in time.
L.C. SMITH No. 2 12 GAUGE HAMMERLESS SXS SHOTGUN: A beautiful high condition early L.C. Smith SxS. 12 ga with 2-3/4″ chambers. Serial range of 103k making it built in about 1898-1900. Early characteristics including the early style sideplate, rectangular safety window and dogs head on the forearm. High condition with beautiful blue bbls that are just as nice on the inside. Frame has all case colors remaining. Most are very vivid. Grade 2 bird engravings on the sidelocks. Wood is exceptional and has the very thin wrist with pistol grip knob. LOP 14″ from the added white line recoil pad. Fine early shotgun! Price:$4,875.
High-grade L.C. Smith are some of the best-looking doubles ever made in America. Check out this 16g Crown grade to see why.
The Hunter Arms Company made the Crown from 1912-1950, and when it was first introduced it to replaced the company’s No. 5 grade. Crown grades were available in four gauges – 10, 12, 16, and 20 – and in .410. Hunter Arms built 862 Crowns, and 68 of these were in 16 gauge.
They were all made-to-order shotgun, so the specific subject of the engraving patterns, the barrel lengths, and stock measurements could all be dictated by the buyer. That being said, most of the Crowns I’ve seen have had 28″ or 30″ bbls.
This 16g was made in the mid 1930s. At that time, A. F. Stoeger listed an L.C. Smith Crown like this at $292.50, a whole lot more than a basic Winchester Model 21 ($73.40) and a just little more than a Parker CHE with a single trigger ($267.50).
LC SMITH CROWN GRADE 16 GAUGE:#149XXX 28″ IC AND MOD 2 3/4 HUNTER ONE SINGLE SELECT TRIGGER EJECTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP NEAR NEW ORIGINAL CONDITION 6LBS 11 OZ X 2 1/4″ X 1 1/2″ X 14″. Price:$29,500.
BTW: I would like to thank the LC Smith Collectors club for a lot of this info. If you want to learn more about Elsies, you should check out their site.
LC SMITH CROWN GRADE SxS SHOTGUN 16 GAUGE: #149XXX 28″ IC AND MOD 2 3/4 HUNTER ONE SINGLE SELECT TRIGGER EJECTORS SPLINTER FOREARM PISTOL GRIP NEAR NEW ORIGINAL CONDITION 6LBS 11 OZ X 2 1/4″ X 1 1/2″ X 14″. Price:$29,500
thickness on the right and left at .025″, London Nitro Proof at 1 ounce, Double triggers with the front articulated, Splinter forend with an Anson release, Straight hand stock at 14 3/4 x 1 1/2 x 2 3/8″ over a 3/4″ pad, Neutral stock, 6 lbs. even, Nice wood with nice color, Border engraving, This gun retains 92-93% barrel blue, It retains 40% original case colors, The butt and forend wood remains at 90%, The checkering still at 92%, The barrels inside and out are in excellent plus condition and totally free of any pits, dings or dents, The barrels ring with a nice chime, John Stanton & Son locks (John Stanton was the inventor & patentee of the Stanton rebounding gunlock), Cased in the original factory brass cornered leather trunk with all the proper trade labels including the serial number. This is a very nice Badminton Sidelock Game Gun with excellent barrels, game gun weight at 6 lbs., made in the Golden Era, great dimensions and points like a dream. Price:$15,750
J. Blanch & Son — Scalloped Boxlock Ejector — 12 Gauge, 2 3/4″ Chambers: 30″ SxS fluid-steel barrels with smooth concave rib and rib extension third fastener choked improved cylinder & full. 14 1/2″pull from front trigger to striated horn buttplate. 1 1/2″ – 2″ drop. Highly figured dark walnut stock with Anson-release splinter forend, straight English grip, classic point-pattern checkering, checkered sidepanels, teardrops, and vacant silver oval. Scroll and game scene engraved, scalloped Anson & Deeley action with carved fences, manual top tang safety with SAFE inlaid in gold. Weight: 6lbs, 6oz. Built early 1880s. 99% barrel reblack. 25% original casehardening colors. Excellent bores. Tight on the frame with the forend in place. London reproofed for 70mm (2 3/4″) cartridges in 2010. Price:$3675
1928 Merkel Suhl Combination gun Model 210: Serial Number 16561. 16 GA over 8.1 x 72. Barrels are clean and smooth. Wood is good condition. The gun was used, thus some small nicks are visible. Arabesque scrolling. Originally listed at $3900. Appraisal letter for $2,900. Willing to take less. Inherited gun for which I have no use. Price:$2700
Serial Number: 16561 Caliber: 8.1 x 72
Condition: good Metal Condition: very good Wood Condition: good Bore Condition: excellent Triggers: set trigger for rifled barrel Gauge: 16
BERETTA – 626 Onyx – SxS – 20ga – 28″ – 3″ – SST – Ejectors – Mobilchokes – Box: 1991 – Beretta 626 Onyx- 20ga, 3″, 28″ MobilChokes, Single Selective Trigger, Ejectors, LOP 14-1/2″, Drop 1-3/8″” to 2-1/4″, Weight 6 lbs. 8 oz. Gun is mechanically EXCELLENT Plus. Finish on wood and barrels is clearly original, and 98+%. The finish on the Receiver is a little off, but I don’t know why. It appears to be polished, where these guns are typically matte. It might have been polished, or possibly even blued. Either way, the gun is extremely nice. Price:$2,450.00
Back when I first bought Lexi, there was one trainer the breeder recommended to me over and over again: Sherry Ebert.
Sherry is one of the top trainers in the country, and she turns out great bird dogs. Unfortunately, she’s booked up solid. I’ll find wild grouse in Manhattan before I ever get a training slot with her.
You can read more about Sherry Ebert in this great tribute Tom Davis wrote about her in Sporting Classics. And be sure to check out the video below, too. In it, Sherry gives some good tips and advice on training bird dogs.
In 1963 a 17-year-old New Jersey girl named Sherry married a 21-year-old Pennsylvania man named Harold. Horses she knew, dogs she didn’t, but her husband, a wiry redhead with dreams of making it big in the bird-dog world, was fixing to change that. He took Sherry to Georgia, where since 1959 he’d worked for Fred Bevan, a professional trainer with a considerable reputation and a kennel operation to match.
Soon she was working for Bevan, too—and no employer, ever, got a better two-for-the-price-of-one deal than Fred Bevan did when he hired Harold and Sherry Ray. They worked long hours for short pay, their list of duties and responsibilities was endless, but they were the kind of people who couldn’t bear to leave a job unfinished and knew only one way to do it: the right way…
*Ggood guns are SxS, O/Us or double rifles with decent original condition and a fair price that have appeared on Gunsinternational.com in the last week .
Griefelt Suhl Double Rifle with claw mount scope 45-70 Caliber: Auto ejectors, weight 10.2 LBS.,doub triggers w/sing sets, Barrels 25 1/2″ with exc bores, DAC 1 3/8″/ DAH2 1/8″ LOP 141/4″ to front trig. Weaver K-2.5 with see through claw mounts. Full Clam Shell Action, cocking indicators, 95% CC and blue. A wonderful Double Rifle in a great caliber. Price:$16,500
Rebounding Hammers, Hinged front trigger, Long top tang that goes nearly to the point of the comb, Splinter forend with a lever release forend, Straight hand stock at 14 x 1 5/8 x 2 1/4″ over the original 3/4″ Silvers pad, Cast-off for the right hand, True 8 Bore weight at 13 lbs. 12 oz., Very nice wood with very nice color and contrast, 10% of nice border engraving, The original barrel browning remains at 70%, Original case colors at 25%, The original wood finish is still at 80%, The checkering at 85%, The wood remains excellent and super sound in every respect, The barrels are excellent inside and out without a pit to be had, The barrels ring with a very pronounced chime. It is cased in the original trunk with the original trade label. This is a very nice serious Big Bore piece that has London nitro proof barrels. It will take you shooting well into the 21st century. Here is the embodiment of 1882 Lancaster Quality; excellent bores, strong wood with nice figure, 8 bore weight, nitro proof barrels and it comes to the hand with ease even with this size and weight plus it balances very well. All these city-light gun writers that try to convince the shooting public that we all need shot barrels that are 3 feet long; here is there piece to grind clay targets into dust. We are working on a source for proper 8 bore loads that already have been used in this nitro proved piece that patterns well at 40 yards with either #5 or 6 shot. Fun stuff here. Price:$11,500
JP SAUER & SOHN – SUHL – MEISTERWERK – MODEL XVIIIE – MADE IN 1939 – 16 GAUGE WITH EJECTORS: Elaborate scroll and game scene engraving. Scalloped frame. Well figured wood with diamond grip. Engraved heel and toe plates. Cocking indicators. Sideclips and arcaded fences. JP Sauer engraved on the barrel bands and heel plate. Top rib is engrved W. Eblen, Stuttgart (a high end gun retailer – Waffen Eblen). Special Krupp “3 ring steel”. Barrels are 27 3/4″. Right bore measures .664 with 20/1000 choke (Mod) while left bore measures .664 as well with 25/1000 choke (Full). Unengraved stock oval. Weight of gun is 6 LBS 7 1/8 OZ. Last image is a scan of the JP Sauer Catalogue from 1938. Shipping is $50. Stock dimensions: LOP – 14 5/8″, Drop at Comb – 1 1/2″, Drop at Heel – 2 1/2″. Price:$11,500
1950 LC Smith Field Grade 410 High Condition: This is a LC Smith field 410 with 28 inch full and modified choke barrels. This gun is 98% case on the receiver 97%, blue on barrels, 80% blue on trigger guard and 97% wood. Small chip in forearm. Serial # is 56057. Second to last known 410 serial number of 56059 on the LC Smith collectors. Price:$7,000
PARKER BROS DHE SXS 12 GA: Serial #190291. Barrel Length: 32″, Chokes F & F. Triggers: DT (Double) Stock: Pistol Grip Foream: Splinter Forearm Rib: Matted Concave Rib. No.2 frame, 1920 gun special ordered with Damascus barrels and French walnut. EXC. Condition. Weight Description 8#4oz. Dimensions 1 1/2 x 2 1/2 x 14 5/8 with 1/8 cast off. This is a very nice unmolested gun, The damascus barrels aree spotless and show no signs of tampering, All finish original, This gun would be ideal for Classic SxS sporting clays shooting. Price $6,500.00
Parker DHE 28ga SxS Skeet Gun (Remington Era): A beautiful RARE 28ga DHE Skeet gun has 26in barrels skeet in /skeet out has a 00 Frame single trigger Beavertail straight english stock to a checkered butt gorgeous wood one mark otherwis mint silver oval no initials 98% easy case colors and blue. Price:$49,000
BERETTA – SO5 / SO3EELL – Hand Detachable Locks – Checkered Butt – Like New: 1970 – 12ga, 26″, IC / IC (.008 / .011), LOP 14-9/16″, Drop 1-7/16 to 2-3/8, Neutral Cast, Weight 6 lbs. 6 oz. 100% Coverage – Hand Engraved. Hand Detachable Sidelock. Gold Crown Inlay. Pierced Top Lever. Hand Filed Rib. Ivory Sights. Single Selective Trigger. Checkered Butt. Excellent weight and chokes for a 12ga Upland Game Gun. Condition is “Like New.” Price:$8,500
LC SMITH Model 5E SXS 12 GA: Serial #205881, 30″ bbls, F&F, 2 1/2″ chambers, Hunter one trigger, Straight Grip, Splinter Forearm, Matted Concave Rib, Casehardened Receiver, Game Scene Cameos Engraving, Vintage Hawkins pad, EXC. Condition, 7#15oz, 1 1/2″ x 2 5/8″ x 14″ with 1/8 cast off. This is a high condition original gun. Price $8,000
A. H. Fox, A Grade, 20 Gauge, Side-by-Side – Gorgeous: 26″ BARRELS, FULL & MODIFIED, 99% BRIGHT BLUE, MIRROR BORES, TWIN IVORY SIGHTS. ATTRACTIVE DEEP CUT ENGRAVING, SOME BOLD VIVID CASE COLOR. ROUND KNOB GRIP STOCK, BEAVERTAIL FOREARM, ABOUT PERFECT WOOD AND CHECKERING, 100% TRIGGER GUARD BLUE. GREAT DIMENSIONS 1 1/2″ X 2 3/8″ X 14″, 6 POUNDS 2 OUNCES. GORGEOUS LITTLE FOX MADE IN 1922. Price: $6,500
ITHACA 1916 FLUES HAMMERLESS 4E GRADE 12GA. 3″ SHOTGUN 98% PLUS ORIGINAL CONDITION: ITHACA 1916 FLUES 4E GRADE HAMMERLESS 12GA. SHOTGUN,S/N 2719XX. 28″ SOLID RIB BARRELS WITH EXCELLENT BORES AND 2 IVORY BEADS.3″ CHAMBERS,CHOKED MODIFIED (.017) CONSTRICTION AND IMPROVED CYLINDER (.007) CONSTRICTION.99% ORIGINAL BARREL BLUE.FIGURED AMERICAN WALNUT WITH BEAUTIFUL ORIGINAL FLUE DE LEA CHECKERING WITH BLACK TIP FOREARM,PISTOL GRIP CAP AND GOLD SHIELD.L.O.P. IS 14 1/2″ OVER SOLID RUBBER PAD,D.A.H. IS 2 7/8″ AND D.A.C. IS 1 7/8″ WITH NEUTRAL CAST.GUN WEIGHS 7 LBS. ORIGINAL GOLD DOUBLE TRIGGERS WITHOUT ANY WEAR.GUN LOOKS TO HAVE BEEN FIRED EXTREMELY LITTLE.ENGRAVED RECEIVER WITH 85% PLUS ORIGINAL VIVID CASE COLOR REMAINING,HAS DOG AND BIRD SCENES.A SUPER ORIGINAL CONDITION 4E 1916 12GA. SHOTGUN. Price:$4,250
Alderfer Auction & Appraisal in Hatfield, PA, is having a firearms sale tomorrow, July 15, 2014, @12:00 PM EST. If you’re into American side-by-sides, this is a sale you’ll want to check out. There are nice guns by L.C. Smith, Parker Bros., A.H. Fox, Winchesters, and Ithaca. Here are a few of the ones that caught my eye:
Lot 120: LC Smith Crown Grade side by side double barrel shotgun: 20 ga. 26″ bbls. IM/Full chokes. SN 6421E. Blued finish on barrels, ejectors, Hunter Selective single trigger, full case colored receiver and locks, side locks are highly engraved with game dog scenes, excellent bores, white bead front and middle sights, middle bead is slightly worn, checkered walnut stock and forend show little to no handling marks, rubber buttplate, top of barrel rib is checkered and is stamped “Made to Order by the Fulton Arms Co Fulton NY”. All serial numbers match. Bore diameter: right – .620, left – .619. Bore restrictions: right – .020, left – .022. Chambers: 2-1/2″. Drop at comb: 1-5/8″, drop at heel: 2-3/4″. Weight: 5 lbs. 10 oz. LOP: 13-5/16″ over 1″ silvers type pad. Estimated Price: $15,000 – $20,000
Lot 121: Parker Bros DHE Grade side by side double barrel shotgun. 20 ga. 32″ bbls. Full/Full chokes. SN 222427. Blued finish on barrels, excellent bores, full case colored engraved receiver showing hunting dog on both sides, ejectors, double triggers, steel bead front sight, white bead middle sight, engraved barrel rib is stamped “Parker Bros Makers Merideth CT USA Titanic Steel”, walnut stock and forend show little to no handling marks, Parker Bros marked black pistol grip cap, leather buttpad. All serial numbers match. Bore diameter: right – .622, left – .622. Bore restrictions: right – .027, left – .026. Chambers: 2-3/4″. Drop at comb: 1-5/8″, drop at heel: 2-5/8″. Weight: 6 lbs. 15 oz. LOP: 14-5/16″ over 1-1/4″ leather covered pad. Estimated Price: $6,000 – $10,000
Lot 122: Parker Bros BHE Grade side by side double barrel shotgun. 20 ga. 25-7/8″ bbls. Skeet/IM chokes. SN 166563. Reblued finish on barrels, barrels have been shortened by a little bit, single bead steel front sight, nearly full case colored receiver, receiver is highly engraved with a pair of hunting dogs on both sides, bores are slightly dirty but look good, double triggers, straight grip checkered walnut stock and forend show very minor handling marks, barrel rib is stamped “Parker Bros Makers Meriden Conn ACME Steel”, original skeleton buttplate. All serial numbers match. Bore diameter: right – .625, left – .628. Bore restrictions: right – .004, left – .021. Chambers: 2-3/4″. Drop at comb: 1-7/8″, drop at heel: 3-1/2″. Weight: 5 lbs. 14 oz. LOP: 14″ over skeleton butt. Estimated Price: $12,000 – $16,000
Lot 123: Parker Bros AHE Grade side by side double barrel shotgun. 28 ga. 26″ bbls. Modified/Full chokes. SN 188861. Original blued finish on metal, over 70% original case color, “00” frame, some very small spots of light oxidation on underside of receiver, checkered walnut stock and forend show handling marks with a few being deep, receiver shows quail game scene on left side and pheasant scene on right, underside engraving shows hunting dog, barrel rib is stamped “Parker Bros Makers Meriden Conn ACME Steel”, lever mechanism sometimes sticks preventing the gun from closing, simply pushing lever to the right allows gun to close, single steel bead front sight, double triggers, skeleton buttplate. All serial numbers match. Bore diameter: right – .560, left – .556. Bore restrictions: right – .016, left – .023. Chambers: 2-1/2″. Drop at comb: 1-5/8″, drop at heel: 2-5/8″. Weight: 5 lbs. 4 oz. LOP: 14-1/16″ over skeleton buttplate. Estimated Price: $30,000 – $40,000
Lot 125: AH Fox XE Grade side by side double barrel shotgun. 12 ga. 30″ bbls. Modified/Full chokes. SN 25397. Blued finish on barrels, excellent bores, Kautzky single selective trigger, white bead front and middle sights, highly engraved receiver shows grouse scene on left side, duck scene on right and a fox scene on underside, approximately 40% of case color remaining, checkered walnut stock shows little to no handling marks, right side of stock does have a small stress crack just behind receiver, appears to be restocked but the forearm appears to be original, after market rubber buttpad. Slight dent in left barrel forward of forend. Left side barrel is stamped “Made by AH Fox Gun Co Phila PA USA”, right side barrel is stamped “Chromox Fluid Compressed Steel”. All serial numbers match. Bore diameter: right – .731, left – .730. Bore restrictions: right – .023, left – .039. Chambers: 2-1/2″. Drop at comb: 2″, drop at heel: 3-1/8″. Weight: 7 lbs. 7 oz. LOP: 14″ over 1″ Old English pad. Very good. Estimated Price: $3,000 – $5,000
Lot 137: Parker Bros VHE Grade side by side double barrel shotgun. 28 ga. 26″ bbls. Skeet/M chokes. SN 145394. Blued finish on barrels, little to no case color left on receiver, newer checkered walnut stock by Remington and forend show little to no handling marks, bores are slightly dirty but look good, double triggers, steel bead front sight, black pistol-grip cap has the engraved name of prior owner, checkered black plastic buttplate is intact. All serial numbers match. Barrel rib is stamped “Parker Brothers Makers Meriden Conn Vulcan Steel”. Bore diameter: right – .556, left – .559. Bore restrictions: right – .004, left – .012. Chambers: 2-3/4″. Weight: 6 lbs. 10 oz. 0 Frame. Excellent. Estimated Price: $6,000 – $12,000
Lot 138: Ithaca Grade 4E side by side double barrel shotgun. 16 ga. 30″ bbls. Full/Modified chokes. SN 326745. Blued finish on metal, full case colored receiver, receiver shows a few small areas of light freckling, bores are very dirty, underside of barrel shows an area where the factory sling attachment has been removed and stock shows a hole where the sling stud would have been, double triggers have an oxidized green finish, checkered walnut stock and forend show handling marks, factory black plastic buttplate shows minor chips. All serial numbers match. Estimated Price: $500 – $900
Eight gauge L.C. Smiths are rare double barrel shotguns. I don’t know the exact figures on how many were made, but I bet it’s under 50 all together. These side by sides were made as waterfowlers, hunting that can be hard on guns, so mot of the one I’ve seen have been in fair condition. This one at in Julia’s upcoming auction is pretty typical. The one pictured below is not.
That gun is a Gr. 4 (1 of 2 made). It has 32″ barrels and it’s nearly-new, original condition. Spectacular. Best of all, a place called Laughlin Auctions in Edinburg, VA, is auctioning it off this weekend. So if you have to have it, go for it. Be prepared to go deep, though. This gun is attracting a lot of serious attention. I wouldn’t be surprised if it went for $25,000+. There’s been a lot of discussion about this gun. Click here for the thread.